Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars.
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 Teddy Eagle  29 Mar 22 12.49am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Who knows, he made very pointed and undiluted jokes on many areas (a joke about someone who was run over for instance). You don't get to set a level of comedy that violence is an acceptable response to - because it simply shouldn't happen. You pal Jim has made numerous disabled jokes and crass comments over the years [Link] . I don't have to be a fan of them or him. I'm not advocating for people to attack him either. Edited by BlueJay (29 Mar 2022 12.47am) Since I approve of none of Michael McIntyre’s act his head would be like a speedball.
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BlueJay  UK 29 Mar 22 12.53am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Since I approve of none of Michael McIntyre’s act his head would be like a speedball.
From the comedic standard of his routine, I can only imagine that he's been repeatedly punched in the head for a prolonged period of time* *Just a joke
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64  Stoke sub normal 29 Mar 22 1.11am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Crossing the.... hair line? An entitled multi millionaire with an Oscar winning husband, having a lighthearted joke made about her (lack of) hair at a back patting awards ceremony. Can't have that can we. Let's start slapping people for their comedic sins. Haven't you said you're a fan of Jim Davidson? Fair play, but I mean, I'm pretty sure he made jokes somewhat more pointed than scathing follicle based humour. I know lots in life is up for debate, but are we seriously saying that physically assaulting comedians on stage every time they make a joke you don't like is an acceptable way to behave? Who knows, he made very pointed and undiluted jokes on many areas (a joke about someone who was run over for instance). You don't get to set a level of comedy that violence is an acceptable response to - because it simply shouldn't happen. You pal Jim has made numerous disabled jokes and crass comments over the years [Link] . I don't have to be a fan of them or him but I'm not advocating for people to attack him for his jokes, though you could always slap his wife and he might even join you - that's a joke too! Jim Davidson doesn't slap his current wife, just one of the previous ones. That's a joke too. Maybe. And that. Edited by BlueJay (29 Mar 2022 1.02am) A lighthearted joke about... well, what would you say about race? Or religious belief? Or gender? They're all ok too? Or is it only baldness through alopecia? And I never was a fan of Jim Davidson. In fact I walked out of his show at the Circus Tavern when he started to get too pissed.
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| BlueJay UK 29 Mar 22 1.20am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
1) A lighthearted joke about... well, what would you say about race? Or religious belief? Or gender? They're all ok too? Or is it only baldness through alopecia? 2) And I never was a fan of Jim Davidson. In fact I walked out of his show at the Circus Tavern when he started to get too pissed. 1) If a comedian makes a joke about any of those subjects, whether I am offended or not that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to get on stage and physically assault the person making the joke. Here's a funny AIDS joke in a lift: [Link] Treat yourself. 2) Never a fan?! Ha. You can't now suddenly re-invent reality just because a comedian you're clearly a fan of has made far, far more insensitive jokes about disability and the like than someone you claim to be indignant about. You literally posted an entire hour long Jim Davidson routine in a 'Comedy Greats' thread on here The unfathomable daily reinvention of professed principles. It's vaccine view whack-a-mole all over again. Edited by BlueJay (29 Mar 2022 5.19pm)
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| BlueJay UK 29 Mar 22 1.34am |
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Will Smith has now released a statement apologising for his conduct. As Chris Rock isn't going to press charges, I would assume that's line will be drawn under the matter. The academy really should take action of some kind else it's a stamp of approval. If they don't more fool them. His statement also featured no apology for the movie After Earth. This will surely anger many. Edited by BlueJay (29 Mar 2022 1.45am)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 22 2.09am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I read it. And I get it's not ultra serious. That's why I commented. It wasn't discussed at all, someone, (you I think?), mentioned that she could have worn a wig if it bothered her. Nothing at all was mentioned of her alopecia. It was a joke in extremely bad taste. I'm all for taking the mick out of stereotypes, but crossing the line into areas which the individual has no control over is not on. I don't particularaly like Will Smith, in fact I'd say that I avoid his movies, but he had every right to stand up for his wife. She was being made the butt of a joke for no other reason than she has alopecia. I get it that it's uncomfortable but I guess I just differ over saying we shouldn't joke over things we have no control over...I take your point about bullying....but as was said in the thread I think there's a difference someone being rude to your wife in a pub (where I see the right to respond) and a professional comedian doing their job to take the p1ss out of celebrities at a reward show. There's that court jester poking fun at the powerful element to it. There's a kind of social contract in it. I kind of agree with Ricky Gervais that just about everything can be joked about but it's obviously true that everyone has a line.....for me it stops at terminal stuff but I know...for example that people in military families or who work in emergency situations can privately use very dark humour and that can be a release valve way of coping element to it....everything is situational. I also realise that comedians are very important in society and I literally give them as much rope as humanly possible....These are words at the end of the day trying to catch a laugh, it's not meant to be serious.....but yes, it isn't always fun for everyone and I think we all have been hurt by a jibe or joke at some point. But thankfully we can choose our comedians and what we listen to...We know that if we go to a show we might get picked on...but we made that choice to go and paid knowing that goes on....If Smith and family don't like the jibes they can not turn up....but I do think it's part of his multi millionaire job to take it on the chin....not dish it out onto them. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 2.22am)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 22 2.19am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Will Smith has now released a statement apologising for his conduct. As Chris Rock isn't going to press charges, I would assume that's line will be drawn under the matter. The academy really should take action of some kind else it's a stamp of approval. If they don't more fool them. His statement also featured no apology for the movie After Earth. This will surely anger many. Edited by BlueJay (29 Mar 2022 1.45am)
I know people will point out several uncomfortable truths here and I would probably agree with lots of those criticisms. Still, personally I think I agree with you. It was a fulsome apology and forgiveness and understanding need to be a part of society even if it's rarely evenly distributed. I think if you take his Oscar away you open up a can of worms. Suddenly no one can get an Oscar because of some tweet....purity spiralling gets ridiculous. I think Smith still needs to do more work in supporting Rock though as what happened has ramifications for comedians and damage has been done. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 2.33am)
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| BlueJay UK 29 Mar 22 2.52am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know people will point out several uncomfortable truths here and I would probably agree with lots of those criticisms. Still, personally I think I agree with you. It was a fulsome apology and forgiveness and understanding need to be a part of society even if it's rarely evenly distributed. I think if you take his Oscar away you open up a can of worms. Suddenly no one can get an Oscar because of some tweet....purity spiralling gets ridiculous. I think Smith still needs to do more work in supporting Rock though as what happened has ramifications for comedians.
They're damned if they do, damned if they don't now as people move on (Chris Rock etc) but at the same time what happened will remain shocking. The timing was unfortunate as his category being directly after the assault created a momentum that was difficult to stop. Apparently they were discussing what to do (eject him etc) but didn't have time to make a decision. Taking the Oscar away would likely as you say create as many problems as letting this blow over. Morally there is a case to be made for it, but there's always the school of thought that something's either an Oscar winning performance or it isn't. Like how we don't tend to judge a song by the morality of the singer (aside from in extreme cases). I'm glad he apologised. It's not like this is indicative of his typical conduct so he can't go much else now. You're right that there are ramifications for comedy. Much like how many of them band together with the censorship stuff, I can only imagine that they realise the potential impact that a partial endorsement of violence could have for their safety while performing. In some ways the worse people to piss off are comedians so we'll see what their take is on this before long I'm sure!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Mar 22 8.10am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know people will point out several uncomfortable truths here and I would probably agree with lots of those criticisms. Still, personally I think I agree with you. It was a fulsome apology and forgiveness and understanding need to be a part of society even if it's rarely evenly distributed. I think if you take his Oscar away you open up a can of worms. Suddenly no one can get an Oscar because of some tweet....purity spiralling gets ridiculous. I think Smith still needs to do more work in supporting Rock though as what happened has ramifications for comedians and damage has been done. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 2.33am) Written by his agent most likely. He is lucky that Chris Rock is already rich.
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| Tickled pink Cornwall 29 Mar 22 8.49am |
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They're all worried about violence yet they can't get enough of it in the films they make.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 22 8.50am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Written by his agent most likely. He is lucky that Chris Rock is already rich. Let's see what Smith does, he deserves a lot of criticism and the anger over this situation is justified.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 22 9.09am |
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Feminists using the media to get attacks in on masculinity over this slap....which I regard as confusing and abusive to young boys just p1sses me off.
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