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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 20 Apr 22 6.41pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Theresa May is till looking for revenge over Brexit, no one really cares what she thinks now. Being an ex PM doesn't make you expert on anything

Has anyone told Tony Blair that?......

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 22 7.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Good response.

Maybe you would like to explain.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 22 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What results?

The current economic climate has nothing to do with Brexit.

I know you desperately wanted the sky to fall, but it hasn't as you and your other blinkered Remainer friends were told it wouldn't.

Well, just as one example, your own obsession with immigration has hardly been made any easier as a consequence of Brexit has it? Getting a European wide strategy in place would be much easier inside, than outside the EU and French co-operation would be a requirement inside. Now they are probably helping to inflate the dingies.

I see no benefits at all. Attributing the negative impacts has been made harder by the pandemic, the surge in energy costs and now the war. So they are a convenient smokescreen, but not for nothing did the IMF forecast we would be the slowest growing economy in the G7 next year. Why do you think that is? Maybe because we are the only one having to handle a Brexit?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Apr 2022 9.57pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Apr 22 8.48am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Well, just as one example, your own obsession with immigration has hardly been made any easier as a consequence of Brexit has it? Getting a European wide strategy in place would be much easier inside, than outside the EU and French co-operation would be a requirement inside. Now they are probably helping to inflate the dingies.

I see no benefits at all. Attributing the negative impacts has been made harder by the pandemic, the surge in energy costs and now the war. So they are a convenient smokescreen, but not for nothing did the IMF forecast we would be the slowest growing economy in the G7 next year. Why do you think that is? Maybe because we are the only one having to handle a Brexit?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Apr 2022 9.57pm)

That is just insubstantial waffle.

As I said. Brexit i not responsible for any of the current economic issues.
It is also a nonsense to suggest that international cooperation on illegal immigration relies on being a member of the EU.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is just insubstantial waffle.

As I said. Brexit i not responsible for any of the current economic issues.
It is also a nonsense to suggest that international cooperation on illegal immigration relies on being a member of the EU.

Of course, Brexit contributes to our economic problems. The difficulty is measuring how much when so many other things are also happening.

Again, whilst international cooperation doesn't depend on the EU (look at Nato and Ukraine) it makes it simpler when a European wide approach is needed and all members bound by agreements. We have put ourselves outside the club and needing to beg for assistance, rather than at the table inside helping to decide the strategy.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Apr 22 10.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course, Brexit contributes to our economic problems. The difficulty is measuring how much when so many other things are also happening.

Again, whilst international cooperation doesn't depend on the EU (look at Nato and Ukraine) it makes it simpler when a European wide approach is needed and all members bound by agreements. We have put ourselves outside the club and needing to beg for assistance, rather than at the table inside helping to decide the strategy.

Perhaps you would like to back that up with facts.

We don't need to beg anyone for anything. We are taking a lead in dealing with illegal immigration.
We are a small island. The effect of population increase is much greater on us than the likes of France and Germany. We now have freedom to make our own decisions that best serve ourselves.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2022 10.42am)

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 21 Apr 22 11.06am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Has anyone told Tony Blair that?......

I would concede he is an expert on fake dossiers and going into illegal wars.

Can't think of anything else except...... no need to list, oh, and being Bush's poodle

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 21 Apr 22 11.08am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps you would like to back that up with facts.

We don't need to beg anyone for anything. We are taking a lead in dealing with illegal immigration.
We are a small island. The effect of population increase is much greater on us than the likes of France and Germany. We now have freedom to make our own decisions that best serve ourselves.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2022 10.42am)


"Of course, Brexit contributes to our economic problems' is an unsubstantiated opinion.

Which is fine as long , as it's not assumed to be a fact

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Apr 22 11.43am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course, Brexit contributes to our economic problems. The difficulty is measuring how much when so many other things are also happening.

Again, whilst international cooperation doesn't depend on the EU (look at Nato and Ukraine) it makes it simpler when a European wide approach is needed and all members bound by agreements. We have put ourselves outside the club and needing to beg for assistance, rather than at the table inside helping to decide the strategy.

Believe me, being “bound” by agreements in the past has meant nothing. Very few EU countries complied with the Dublin Convention, when it came to removing people to the country they had arrived from. In fact the UK were probably the best at this. I know you might not like to hear this but it is fact

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps you would like to back that up with facts.

We don't need to beg anyone for anything. We are taking a lead in dealing with illegal immigration.
We are a small island. The effect of population increase is much greater on us than the likes of France and Germany. We now have freedom to make our own decisions that best serve ourselves.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Apr 2022 10.42am)

As I already said, the pandemic and energy crisis provide a convenient smokescreen which obscures the contribution made by Brexit. No doubt some bright spark will attempt to attribute things in due time.

In the meantime, the obvious speaks for itself. You ask for facts, so here's one. Bureaucracy inevitably diminishes efficiency, and that's demonstrably true with Brexit. Especially so in NI, but also generally. Inefficiency in turn diminishes economies. Without there being any obvious economic benefits (the limited number of trading agreements most putting back what was there before, or favouring imports into the UK, the nett result has to be negative. Which was always going to be true anyway. Even the most ardent enthusiast expected that.

We aren't "taking a lead" in countering illegal immigration. The government are playing political games with it in proposing a scheme generally regarded as unworkable, and resisted by their own civil servants, just when difficult elections are about to happen. Coincidence? It seems unlikely, doesn't it?

The only effective way to deal with your favourite subject is via cooperation with our European neighbours. Brexit has done nothing to make that cooperation more likely, or effective.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Apr 22 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I already said, the pandemic and energy crisis provide a convenient smokescreen which obscures the contribution made by Brexit. No doubt some bright spark will attempt to attribute things in due time.

In the meantime, the obvious speaks for itself. You ask for facts, so here's one. Bureaucracy inevitably diminishes efficiency, and that's demonstrably true with Brexit. Especially so in NI, but also generally. Inefficiency in turn diminishes economies. Without there being any obvious economic benefits (the limited number of trading agreements most putting back what was there before, or favouring imports into the UK, the nett result has to be negative. Which was always going to be true anyway. Even the most ardent enthusiast expected that.

We aren't "taking a lead" in countering illegal immigration. The government are playing political games with it in proposing a scheme generally regarded as unworkable, and resisted by their own civil servants, just when difficult elections are about to happen. Coincidence? It seems unlikely, doesn't it?

The only effective way to deal with your favourite subject is via cooperation with our European neighbours. Brexit has done nothing to make that cooperation more likely, or effective.

A statement that you would expect from an incurable Remainer.

Whether it has contributed or not, any negative effect will be worth it to rid ourselves of Brussels.

If you can't spot that negative effect between the fuel prices, food shortages, inflation and the rest of the stuff we know the cause of then it can't be very significant now can it.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 21 Apr 22 8.21pm

Originally posted by HKOwen


"Of course, Brexit contributes to our economic problems' is an unsubstantiated opinion.

Which is fine as long , as it's not assumed to be a fact

Its true though-oh well, don"t listen to the experts-we have our fair share on here!

 

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