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Daddyorc Online Atlantic Highlands, NJ 10 Aug 22 10.28am
Every time the opposition has a corner I cringe. Too many times someone shuts off. Reminds me of Pardew’s last season. It seemed like the opposition scored every game from a corner.
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Daddyorc Online

Atlantic Highlands, NJ 10 Aug 22 10.28am

Every time the opposition has a corner I cringe. Too many times someone shuts off.

Reminds me of Pardew’s last season. It seemed like the opposition scored every game from a corner.

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southnorwoodhill 10 Aug 22 1.08pm
Is one side more prevalent than the other? That is, down Clyne's side or Mitchell's? It would be informative to understand what build up leads to the corner being given away. I recall some seasons ago when Barcelona were in their pomp an excellent Bayern Munich side cracked the code by getting down the wings and forcing corners - Barcelona were so used to bossing the middle of the park but they couldn't defend a cross... Personally I think our problems start a bit further up the pitch, Zaha's turning over possession, Eze incapable of making a tackle or heading the ball. There's no natural onfield leader which doesn't help. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Aug 2022 1.12pm)
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Is one side more prevalent than the other? That is, down Clyne's side or Mitchell's? It would be informative to understand what build up leads to the corner being given away. I recall some seasons ago when Barcelona were in their pomp an excellent Bayern Munich side cracked the code by getting down the wings and forcing corners - Barcelona were so used to bossing the middle of the park but they couldn't defend a cross...
Personally I think our problems start a bit further up the pitch, Zaha's turning over possession, Eze incapable of making a tackle or heading the ball. There's no natural onfield leader which doesn't help.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Aug 22 1.21pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Is one side more prevalent than the other? That is, down Clyne's side or Mitchell's? It would be informative to understand what build up leads to the corner being given away. I recall some seasons ago when Barcelona were in their pomp an excellent Bayern Munich side cracked the code by getting down the wings and forcing corners - Barcelona were so used to bossing the middle of the park but they couldn't defend a cross... Personally I think our problems start a bit further up the pitch, Zaha's turning over possession, Eze incapable of making a tackle or heading the ball. There's no natural onfield leader which doesn't help. When you're defending a set piece you have the opportunity to organise and allocate tasks to players. You don't get that when the ball is turned over. From a coaching point of view a set piece should be easier to defend than a sudden transition with players out of position. I agree that we don't seem to have a real leader on the field. I think we're a bit too ' nice ' to play against. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Aug 2022 1.12pm) Edited by NEILLO (10 Aug 2022 1.22pm) Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Aug 22 1.21pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

When you're defending a set piece you have the opportunity to organise and allocate tasks to players.

You don't get that when the ball is turned over.

From a coaching point of view a set piece should be easier to defend than a sudden transition with players out of position.

I agree that we don't seem to have a real leader on the field. I think we're a bit too ' nice ' to play against.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Aug 2022 1.12pm)

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Putitout Oxford 10 Aug 22 2.18pm
The Zenchenko, goal was school boyish, in every respect.. and not for the first time.. the time and space he had. To pick his spot was criminal he couldn’t fail to drop it perfectly for any sort of touch. We have been caught at both posts , but constantly are getting caught at the back post and in this case well wide of the back post , as we seem to have no one looking to block anyone coming into that massive space. The first principle of defending long ball corners is to be first to any ball in, first or second touch, at the very least put pressure on the ball at all times. It’s frightening to see how inept we are in this respect
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Oxford 10 Aug 22 2.18pm

The Zenchenko, goal was school boyish, in every respect.. and not for the first time.. the time and space he had. To pick his spot was criminal he couldn’t fail to drop it perfectly for any sort of touch.
We have been caught at both posts , but constantly are getting caught at the back post and in this case well wide of the back post , as we seem to have no one looking to block anyone coming into that massive space.
The first principle of defending long ball corners is to be first to any ball in, first or second touch, at the very least put pressure on the ball at all times. It’s frightening to see how inept we are in this respect

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 10 Aug 22 2.25pm
Originally posted by Putitout The Zenchenko, goal was school boyish, in every respect.. and not for the first time.. the time and space he had. To pick his spot was criminal he couldn’t fail to drop it perfectly for any sort of touch. We have been caught at both posts , but constantly are getting caught at the back post and in this case well wide of the back post , as we seem to have no one looking to block anyone coming into that massive space. The first principle of defending long ball corners is to be first to any ball in, first or second touch, at the very least put pressure on the ball at all times. It’s frightening to see how inept we are in this respect Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 10 Aug 22 2.25pm

Originally posted by Putitout

Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Putitout Oxford 10 Aug 22 2.41pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one. Have to disagree on the first point. It wasn’t clever beyond making use of one of the oldest moves in the game. A move often attempted in junior football. Certainly was when I was a young player many years past. As ever Palaces defenders were crammed between the posts, it needed an attacker to deal with what occurred to easily, they didn’t even appear to know Zenchencko was there, let alone close him down. Second point the goalkeeper should have been more involved I agree , but but then if a little fellow like Martinello, could get the better of our central defenders ,the blame can’t stop there.
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Putitout

Oxford 10 Aug 22 2.41pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one.

Have to disagree on the first point. It wasn’t clever beyond making use of one of the oldest moves in the game. A move often attempted in junior football. Certainly was when I was a young player many years past. As ever Palaces defenders were crammed between the posts, it needed an attacker to deal with what occurred to easily, they didn’t even appear to know Zenchencko was there, let alone close him down.
Second point the goalkeeper should have been more involved I agree , but but then if a little fellow like Martinello, could get the better of our central defenders ,the blame can’t stop there.

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pssguy 10 Aug 22 4.19pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink A defender on each post would for me be the answer. That doesn't work. They impede the goalkeeper and cannot reach high efforts. Plus it leaves you two bodies light to track runs or challenge for the ball
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pssguy

10 Aug 22 4.19pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

A defender on each post would for me be the answer.

That doesn't work. They impede the goalkeeper and cannot reach high efforts. Plus it leaves you two bodies light to track runs or challenge for the ball

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TheGreatGorbo sunbury 10 Aug 22 9.35pm
We ourselves have used the same tactics with Tompkins and also Andersen pulling away at the far post and heading back across goal so should be aware of this, very disappointing that our coaches allowed zinchenko to get that free header back across goal sort it out ffs!
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TheGreatGorbo

sunbury 10 Aug 22 9.35pm

We ourselves have used the same tactics with Tompkins and also Andersen pulling away at the far post and heading back across goal so should be aware of this, very disappointing that our coaches allowed zinchenko to get that free header back across goal sort it out ffs!

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