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 Hrolf The Ganger  29 Aug 22 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
' No-one did as it is an emotive term used to discredit immigration. We voted in governments who then decided policy on everything, including immigration, alongside fighting a battle against the illegals. So your previous statement was complete drivel?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 22 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I know I'm going to regret asking this but... Please name the national or pan national legislation regulation or treaty that directly led to mass immigration into the UK. Look up Tony Blair, Iraq and Afghanistan and encouraging hundreds of thousands of cheaper labour rather than invest in his own people in something with a future and wages to actually pay for housing and bills. He was a fraud.
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 georgenorman 29 Aug 22 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As we do, and did when in the EU, elect the people who make our laws, that qIuestion is senseless. Every democracy does it, some directly, some less so. The EU is not a federation. Every country enacts its own laws, even those first conceived in Brussels. The question is the very opposite of senseless. EU commissioners make all EU law and we do not elect EU commissioners. Therefore we did not elect those that made the EU laws that governed us, therefore we did not live in a full democracy. Edited by georgenorman (29 Aug 2022 5.29pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 29 Aug 22 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I know I'm going to regret asking this but... Please name the national or pan national legislation regulation or treaty that directly led to mass immigration into the UK. I do not believe it was written in law, however I worked as a Visa Officer between 1999 and 2002. We were told to take a pragmatic approach to visa issuing, especially when considering student visa, as the UK needed to encourage more foreign students. In case anyone missed it, that was a Tony Blair government Edited by Spiderman (29 Aug 2022 5.31pm) Edited by Spiderman (29 Aug 2022 5.34pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 29 Aug 22 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The question is the very opposite of senseless. EU commissioners make all EU law and we do not elect EU commissioners. Therefore we did not elect those that made the EU laws that governed us, therefore we did not live in a full democracy. Edited by georgenorman (29 Aug 2022 5.29pm) You are wasting your time
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Aug 22 5.40pm |
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A federation gives more power, not less, to regions and states. In West Germany and the USA they have much more devolved power than here for example. The West German system has been very successful, it was actually brought in by the Allies after WW2. In a way we helped approve a system better than our own.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Aug 22 6.15pm |
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The TB years were good for Britain and the prosperity could not have happened without skilled EU people coming here. It revitalised towns and cities who simply did not have the available skills. Try getting a plumber before they arrived, you would often get fleeced. It was labour moving to where it was needed, just what free movement is all about.
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cryrst  The garden of England 29 Aug 22 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The TB years were good for Britain and the prosperity could not have happened without skilled EU people coming here. It revitalised towns and cities who simply did not have the available skills. Try getting a plumber before they arrived, you would often get fleeced. It was labour moving to where it was needed, just what free movement is all about. I do not think many posters are against skilled immigration where there is a need. The issue is immigrants knowingly rocking up to take from our system with no real desire to put anything in whilst coming from a safe country.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 29 Aug 22 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The TB years were good for Britain and the prosperity could not have happened without skilled EU people coming here. It revitalised towns and cities who simply did not have the available skills. Try getting a plumber before they arrived, you would often get fleeced. It was labour moving to where it was needed, just what free movement is all about. Yes, great for the NHS, so my nurse friends keep reminding me, but hey, they only work in the hospital, what would they know?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Aug 22 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The TB years were good for Britain and the prosperity could not have happened without skilled EU people coming here. It revitalised towns and cities who simply did not have the available skills. Try getting a plumber before they arrived, you would often get fleeced. It was labour moving to where it was needed, just what free movement is all about. And why was it needed? Because of a lack of investment in training and incentives for British workers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Aug 22 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The question is the very opposite of senseless. EU commissioners make all EU law and we do not elect EU commissioners. Therefore we did not elect those that made the EU laws that governed us, therefore we did not live in a full democracy. Edited by georgenorman (29 Aug 2022 5.29pm) What you say is simply untrue. EU Commissioners do not make laws. They propose them under the various treaties each country has agreed to, democratically. The laws are made by the approval of the Council and Parliament, who can dismiss the Commission if they so decide. You may not like the system but it’s not federal. It’s a type of democracy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Aug 22 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I do not think many posters are against skilled immigration where there is a need. The issue is immigrants knowingly rocking up to take from our system with no real desire to put anything in whilst coming from a safe country. Nobody likes that. Unfortunately nobody has yet found a legal system to overcome it. Without the cooperation of our neighbours that became harder. Another Brexit own goal. How many do we need before people realise what a bad idea it was.
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