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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 22 11.17am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i agree. some tribute and 'toadying' is a bit pathetic. Eamon DeValera sent a funeral wreath to the German people upon the death of their leader in May 1945. He visited the German Embassy to formally offer his condolences to Herr Hempel, the ambassador.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 10 Sep 22 11.46am |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
I respect all people and have sympathy when someone dies but this toadying is ridiculous and pathetic. Are you posting from North Korea? Consistently ignorant I see, just keep making stuff up if it helps your cause, no one really cares I think. Simple math is Age + retired Trade Union official = ignorant ideologue Edited by HKOwen (10 Sep 2022 11.47am)
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Slimey Toad  Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 10 Sep 22 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
In North Korea when a leader dies they have hours of drivel on TV about how wonderful the late, unelected, leader was and all cultural and sporting activities are stopped. Such a thing could never happen in the democratic West, could it? Stupid to try and argue that the mourning of the Queen can be remotely compared to the forced grieving of a dictator. Yes it has been occasionally over the top (Liz Truss - The Queen was the rock upon which Modern Britain was built!?), but you can still tweet an offensive and disrespectful remark and the worst you will get is the sack from your cushy radio job. If you don't come out on the streets and cry when ordered to in somewhere like NK you're thrown in prison. Actually say something nasty about the late dictator and you're frying tonight.
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Badger11  Beckenham 10 Sep 22 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
He visited the German Embassy to formally offer his condolences to Herr Hempel, the ambassador. I think I had an argument with someone on this board about the IRA / Republican supporters and their close ties with the Nazis before and during the second world war. They didn't believe it. It is a part of Irish history that is airbrushed especially by Sinn Fein who are rightly embarrassed about it. That is not to say that many Irish men did not fight bravely for Britain and against fascism just that some had the attitude my enemies enemy..
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| Stirlingsays 10 Sep 22 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think I had an argument with someone on this board about the IRA / Republican supporters and their close ties with the Nazis before and during the second world war. They didn't believe it. It is a part of Irish history that is airbrushed especially by Sinn Fein who are rightly embarrassed about it. That is not to say that many Irish men did not fight bravely for Britain and against fascism just that some had the attitude my enemies enemy.. Yeah, really worked out that. Lose your cities to the third world before the inevitable rest of it goes but hey, at least we aren't speaking German. When our descendants flee or just stop being European some might just reflect upon how the post war generations thought. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2022 1.56pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Sep 22 2.01pm |
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A lot of Irish fought both for and against the Germans. A lot of French willingly fought for the Germans as well....there are a lot of airbrushed truths that aren't taught about the war. I heard the other week that when the Americans first engaged in Africa the first Axis force that engaged them was French. More French fought for the Axis than fought against them....and it isn't even close. However, none of the films or dramas show it. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2022 3.04pm)
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 22 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Diana.
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Teddy Eagle  10 Sep 22 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Diana. That was totally different. The Queen and Churchill were two people to whom most people felt a sense of respect and gratitude and responded with dignity.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 22 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That was totally different. The Queen and Churchill were two people to whom most people felt a sense of respect and gratitude and responded with dignity. But you said an occasion like this- and this is just like the Diana occasion- we might have the sobbing bit on the day the funeral progresses along the mall or at the abbey- but its exactly the same occasion wise! Her majesty is assured a great send off either way- well deserved, just like Diana got.
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| Teddy Eagle 10 Sep 22 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
But you said an occasion like this- and this is just like the Diana occasion- we might have the sobbing bit on the day the funeral progresses along the mall or at the abbey- but its exactly the same occasion wise! Her majesty is assured a great send off either way- well deserved, just like Diana got. No, it's not the same. The sentiment behind mourning the Queen's death is partly affection for her and partly a recognition of time passing and one's own mortality or that of aging relations.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 22 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No, it's not the same. The sentiment behind mourning the Queen's death is partly affection for her and partly a recognition of time passing and one's own mortality or that of aging relations. It"s the same on the streets Teddy- all be it the queen being more important in the ranks, but no different as a person- I liked them both, but on the street-its the same, trust me, I"m out there!
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| Teddy Eagle 10 Sep 22 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
It"s the same on the streets Teddy- all be it the queen being more important in the ranks, but no different as a person- I liked them both, but on the street-its the same, trust me, I"m out there! Fair enough. I suppose it's a personal reaction. I had nothing against Diana; she just didn't mean anything to me and I didn't see what she'd done to warrant such a response.
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