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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 22 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes, we all know you would love a Farage party to break up Tory votes. However, Labour are exactly the same story. We hear far less or next to nothing about a desire for Labour to break up.....Yet the Corbyn wing are in the same boat. Most of the grass roots paying for the plebs representing them aren't getting the policies they believe in......It's no different to the Tories....both party members are being screwed. Both parties should break up....and if the country wants the dissident left or right then they can vote for it....If they want more of the same crap people like you promote, then they can vote for that too. However, while I only hear cheer leading for a Tory split, forgive me if I don't just happen to blow a raspberry back in your general marble losing direction. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2022 11.14pm) Perhaps you missed it but I completely agree. I think Labour need to split too, with their left forming a fringe new party, just as the right of the Tories can under Farage. With any luck the centre of both can either come together or at least become regular coalition partners. Labour are a spent force and have been for some years. They might have a temporary revival because of the current situation but I cannot see it lasting long.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 22 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps you missed it but I completely agree. I think Labour need to split too, with their left forming a fringe new party, just as the right of the Tories can under Farage. With any luck the centre of both can either come together or at least become regular coalition partners. Labour are a spent force and have been for some years. They might have a temporary revival because of the current situation but I cannot see it lasting long. Fair enough, I'll take that criticism back.
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 22 6.17am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Labour are a spent force and have been for some years. They might have a temporary revival because of the current situation but I cannot see it lasting long. Wouldn't they have to win Scotland from the SNP before they could obtain a majority in the House?
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 22 7.20am |
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Our late friend has just surfaced on the BBS which one would have thought would be his home from home as it's full of raving lefty nutters.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 19 Nov 22 9.24am |
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whats his user name there
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 22 9.31am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
whats his user name there The same as on here
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 22 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Wouldn't they have to win Scotland from the SNP before they could obtain a majority in the House? Probably, and therein lies both the danger and a possible opportunity. If the SNP demand a referendum on independence, as they would, to secure their participation, and it passed in Scotland, would the House approve it? It cannot be binding. If Labour refused to go into coalition with them unless they accepted that the House has the final word, then we could see a grand coalition or even the beginning of the splits that I believe are inevitable, which is the opportunity.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Nov 22 11.45am |
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Failing a complete meltdown of the Conservative vote , Labours needs to have a substantial number of Scottish seats to have any chance of an overall majority, this seems unlikely in the the foreseeable future
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The groover  Danbury 19 Nov 22 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Failing a complete meltdown of the Conservative vote , Labours needs to have a substantial number of Scottish seats to have any chance of an overall majority, this seems unlikely in the the foreseeable future Have you not seen the polls! Truss has put them on life support. They are recovering and it remains to be seen if the budget will change peoples opinion.
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| The groover Danbury 19 Nov 22 12.45pm |
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In terms of the old far left/far right argument. Both have less support than they think they have and the reason for that is that they are both very vocal and convince themselves otherwise. The vast majority of people in the UK are either center left or center right. Blair got in because he took the labour party more towards the center and thus more people voted labour. It was no surprise to me that labour had their worst result for decades under corbyn. He was as far left as anyone and the public rightly said f*** that for a game of soldiers. The labour voters I know were all convinced that his policies were sound and that they were going to walk it!! They were of course mostly the london liberal elite and could not understand what happened. Mainly because they only discuss things in their sounding board groups and call anyone that disagrees a racist! If you have been on there, think BBS! The tories would have the same issue were they to elect a right wing leader. IMO a lot of people don't actually vote for who they want they vote against who they don't want. So a labour voter will vote liberal if they think they can stop the tory and vica versa. Also, if the right has such strong support why did the BNP and National front poll so poorly. It was the same for the communists when they ran.
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 22 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
Blair got in because he took the labour party more towards the center and thus more people voted labour.
I'll probably get crucified for this but part of Blair's initial success was that he was young and good looking and women voted for him for that reason
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 19 Nov 22 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
In terms of the old far left/far right argument. Both have less support than they think they have and the reason for that is that they are both very vocal and convince themselves otherwise. The vast majority of people in the UK are either center left or center right. Blair got in because he took the labour party more towards the center and thus more people voted labour. It was no surprise to me that labour had their worst result for decades under corbyn. He was as far left as anyone and the public rightly said f*** that for a game of soldiers. The labour voters I know were all convinced that his policies were sound and that they were going to walk it!! They were of course mostly the london liberal elite and could not understand what happened. Mainly because they only discuss things in their sounding board groups and call anyone that disagrees a racist! If you have been on there, think BBS! The tories would have the same issue were they to elect a right wing leader. IMO a lot of people don't actually vote for who they want they vote against who they don't want. So a labour voter will vote liberal if they think they can stop the tory and vica versa. Also, if the right has such strong support why did the BNP and National front poll so poorly. It was the same for the communists when they ran.
Well put Groover. These 'far' lefts and rights seem to live in their own little bubble, which is separate from reality. They desperately try to hold sway with the big two, but in reality they are a major hinderance to any aspirations of Government.
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