In regards to Kanye, I've never been with the idea that anyone is born in sin so 'it's the Jews' messages have to always come within that prism.

There are Jews within all political spheres and the ones within mine aren't there for a lark....and I say that while acknowledging that within the west eighty percent of that group vote left. So what it comes down to is where the allegiance resides.

When you remove the 'Hitler nonsense' and rants what Kanye says has some....and I mean some troubling aspects. People should go and look and read those posts that that trainer sent to him....that's some seriously fecked up stuff.

It's quite stark. West literally says that a certain group has too much power and the next thing he loses most of his money and is censored from all the mainstream.....Errrr.

Again, remove the Hitler nuttery and remember that this isn't just Kanye saying that he's had handlers and malign forces against him. I remember Michael Jackson saying similar stuff and those that know what went on with that know that he was complaining about similar stuff in a more restrained way.

It should be remembered that none of us are within those spaces and it wasn't long after that Dave Chappelle also came out and backed up some of Kanye's observations....again, not the fruitcake rants about Jews forgiving Hitler and so on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2022 4.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In a shamelessly Capitalist society like the US, if people 'make it' then that's fair game. There are many ways to frame who exactly holds sway stateside and it's odd to centre exclusively on Jews to the extent that Kanye does and with that level of vitriol. Anyone doing this OTT is going to obliterate public support and in turn ad deals. No Jewish conspiracy needed. Extreme views are kryptonite to brands and the same business he criticises made him hundreds of millions until he went to some lengths to upend it. Kanye West has a history and a present of mental illness and the likes of Nick Fuentes and co are rag tag radicals shamelessly exploiting a mentally ill individual to boost their own profile.

Typically Jews are pretty far down the 'set' of demographic dislikes in the cliched firing line. Usually in society, due to their history, once someone starts routinely obsessing over Jews, they're down a road not many are eager to tread. It's a shame Kanye is being used as a batsh!t battering ram. He's clearly not well and unfortunately he has the means to exacerbate his own situation.

Edited by footythoughts (18 Dec 2022 10.44am)

The origins of antisemitism and the blame the Jews culture.

This is just my understand of 2000 years of it, other opinions are available.

1. Christ was crucified, this is a Roman punishment the Jewish equivalent was stoning so Christ was killed by the Romans. This presented a problem to the Emperor Constantine and his successors when they adopted Christianity as the state religion, they needed a convenient scapegoat rather than admit that the Roman state was responsible.

2. During the middle ages employment (the good jobs) was controlled by guilds which were a closed shop. Jews were banned from these guilds, the only work they were allowed to perform was money lending which was considered dirty work.

This led to the assumption that Jews are all about money ignoring the fact that this was the only work they were permitted to do.

3. Palestine / Israel. Without getting into the rights and wrongs this has rumbled on since that time.

Anyway these attitudes still prevail today.

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Red and Blue Army!

something similar happened with Christian writers commenting on the Vikings. The writers had a 'them and us' approach. The very antithesis of fashions today.

its a bit like us writing stuff about Brighton Fans. Of course it will be biased.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

A fair summation. Those latching onto Jews in the negative often aren't usually doing so as a first rodeo. It's a way down the road of a 'type' or types. At minimum it's a cobbling together of caricatures designed to denigrate and demean. And that's said with an exceptionally wide berth of leniency, because clearly criticism of Israel and the like is more than understandable and reasonable to most.

Edited by footythoughts (24 Dec 2022 3.44pm)