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MrWhyNot 03 Jan 23 8.04pm
Originally posted by cryrst So on Xmas day there was an incident at home where by I hurt my hand. It swelled up and on 27th I took myself to Maidstone hospital A+E. Long story short within 2 hours I had 2 visits to X-ray , 2 doctor chats about a fractured finger, finger splints applied and a full hand support, advice about the fracture etc. I parked at 11.30 and at 13.32 I payed for my parking. Then 3 hours later at home I had a call from the fracture clinic with more advice. Now forgive me for giving it a 10/10 but I reckon this could be the rule even now. It’s just that good service doesn’t command the bashing for the nhs and hmg. Wasn’t it corbyn who engineered a busy train for a photo opportunity and a bashing up hmg moment. You then wonder why labour are questioned as a party who could get close to sorting it out! From family and friends experience, and what appears to be the national picture.. I'd say that significant several hour waits are not at all usual in A&E for serious issues at the minute. It is however clearly good news when someone is lucky enough to get treated fast.
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03 Jan 23 8.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So on Xmas day there was an incident at home where by I hurt my hand. It swelled up and on 27th I took myself to Maidstone hospital A+E.
Long story short within 2 hours I had 2 visits to X-ray , 2 doctor chats about a fractured finger, finger splints applied and a full hand support, advice about the fracture etc. I parked at 11.30 and at 13.32 I payed for my parking. Then 3 hours later at home I had a call from the fracture clinic with more advice.
Now forgive me for giving it a 10/10 but I reckon this could be the rule even now. It’s just that good service doesn’t command the bashing for the nhs and hmg.
Wasn’t it corbyn who engineered a busy train for a photo opportunity and a bashing up hmg moment.
You then wonder why labour are questioned as a party who could get close to sorting it out!

From family and friends experience, and what appears to be the national picture.. I'd say that significant several hour waits are not at all usual in A&E for serious issues at the minute. It is however clearly good news when someone is lucky enough to get treated fast.

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Jan 23 8.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The NHS, not bankers, would be the priority of a labour government. Always has been, always will be. Priority before or after the Unions?
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Horsham 03 Jan 23 8.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The NHS, not bankers, would be the priority of a labour government.

Always has been, always will be.

Priority before or after the Unions?

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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jan 23 8.27pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The NHS, not bankers, would be the priority of a labour government. Always has been, always will be. Tony Blair threw money at the NHS and it didn't work. Despite Labour propaganda the Tories have also thrown money at the NHS and it has got worse. It's time to have an adult conversation in this country between all parties and the public about the future of the NHS. I wont hold my breath. One more point
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Beckenham 03 Jan 23 8.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The NHS, not bankers, would be the priority of a labour government.

Always has been, always will be.

Tony Blair threw money at the NHS and it didn't work. Despite Labour propaganda the Tories have also thrown money at the NHS and it has got worse.

It's time to have an adult conversation in this country between all parties and the public about the future of the NHS. I wont hold my breath.

One more point

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Jan 23 8.37pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Tony Blair threw money at the NHS and it didn't work. Despite Labour propaganda the Tories have also thrown money at the NHS and it has got worse. It's time to have an adult conversation in this country between all parties and the public about the future of the NHS. I wont hold my breath. For starters, anyone looking at the NHS should investigate the wasting of money. Millions on agency staff, too many highly paid managers, treatments tgat should be privately funded. This has been going on for years and no 1 Government is to blame
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Horsham 03 Jan 23 8.37pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Tony Blair threw money at the NHS and it didn't work. Despite Labour propaganda the Tories have also thrown money at the NHS and it has got worse.

It's time to have an adult conversation in this country between all parties and the public about the future of the NHS. I wont hold my breath.

For starters, anyone looking at the NHS should investigate the wasting of money. Millions on agency staff, too many highly paid managers, treatments tgat should be privately funded. This has been going on for years and no 1 Government is to blame

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Jan 23 8.47pm
Originally posted by MrWhyNot From family and friends experience, and what appears to be the national picture.. I'd say that significant several hour waits are not at all usual in A&E for serious issues at the minute. It is however clearly good news when someone is lucky enough to get treated fast. There were others who got seen in similar timescales. Just sometimes maybe the actual hospital needs to look at itself. They all have enough managers, accountants, statisticians etc. how can it ALWAYS be about the money or the government.
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The garden of England 03 Jan 23 8.47pm

Originally posted by MrWhyNot

There were others who got seen in similar timescales.
Just sometimes maybe the actual hospital needs to look at itself. They all have enough managers, accountants, statisticians etc. how can it ALWAYS be about the money or the government.

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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jan 23 9.36pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Yes, precisely. These dyed in the wool Conservatives will, it seems, put up with anything, so long as it isn't the dreaded labour government with all its Marxists, lefties, Communists blah, blah, blah. All these Sun, Daily Mail, Express -reading: turkeys voting for an early Christmas. It just makes me laugh on here. Haha. Ridiculous. Keep laughing. The point, as if it should need explaining, is that however bad you think the Tories are, I guarantee that Labour would do worse. They always do, and sadly, a large chunk of the voting have the memories of goldfish or were just too young to remember the last useless Labour government. One of the few benefits of getting older is that experience what a joke so called socialism is in practice enough times to know that you never want it in government ever again.
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03 Jan 23 9.36pm

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Originally posted by Glazier#1

Yes, precisely.

These dyed in the wool Conservatives will, it seems, put up with anything, so long as it isn't the dreaded labour government with all its Marxists, lefties, Communists blah, blah, blah.

All these Sun, Daily Mail, Express -reading: turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

It just makes me laugh on here. Haha.

Ridiculous.

Keep laughing.

The point, as if it should need explaining, is that however bad you think the Tories are, I guarantee that Labour would do worse. They always do, and sadly, a large chunk of the voting have the memories of goldfish or were just too young to remember the last useless Labour government.

One of the few benefits of getting older is that experience what a joke so called socialism is in practice enough times to know that you never want it in government ever again.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.51pm
Originally posted by Spiderman When you say no one can get a GP appointment, not sure that is true. I never have to wait more than 1 day. I have food on the table, 2 children with degrees. Not saying this is the general picture but no one! Facts EDN facts Here we wait a minimum of two weeks. And we aren’t the worst. Postcode lottery
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Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.51pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

When you say no one can get a GP appointment, not sure that is true. I never have to wait more than 1 day. I have food on the table, 2 children with degrees. Not saying this is the general picture but no one! Facts EDN facts

Here we wait a minimum of two weeks. And we aren’t the worst. Postcode lottery

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman For starters, anyone looking at the NHS should investigate the wasting of money. Millions on agency staff, too many highly paid managers, treatments tgat should be privately funded. This has been going on for years and no 1 Government is to blame Why are the agency staff required?
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Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Why are the agency staff required?

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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jan 23 9.58pm
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Oh God, here we go again. that word 'Marxist' bandied around. Are you saying that the leaders of the train unions are all communists as defined by the writings of Das Kapital? Do uou even know what those writings are? Do you even know what defines a Marxist? Just another lazy application of a conveneient word to join you on your bandwagon of Daily Mail puke - writing. The destruction of the NHS started way before any pandemic, as well we know. The underinvestment since 1997 has been systematic and with a view to the privatisaton of the service. But then, you'll never change your mind on anything on here. Just spout, spout, spout. Ha ha. Comedy show. The RMT leadership is awash with Marxists. Mick Lynch, that dedicated socialist, earns 163k a year, by the way. They are hypocrites whose only ambition is to feather their own nests and bring down any Tory government. They are dinosaurs who are cutting the throats of their own members. The NHS is having loads of money pumped into it. No amount will ever be enough. There is no 'destruction'. It simply cannot be sustained with the current model. Maybe Tony Blair should have thought about the impact on the NHS when he opened the flood gates of immigration. Perhaps successive government should have encouraged British people into the medical professions.
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Hrolf The Ganger

03 Jan 23 9.58pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Oh God, here we go again. that word 'Marxist' bandied around.
Are you saying that the leaders of the train unions are all communists as defined by the writings of Das Kapital? Do uou even know what those writings are? Do you even know what defines a Marxist?

Just another lazy application of a conveneient word to join you on your bandwagon of Daily Mail puke - writing.

The destruction of the NHS started way before any pandemic, as well we know. The underinvestment since 1997 has been systematic and with a view to the privatisaton of the service.

But then, you'll never change your mind on anything on here. Just spout, spout, spout.

Ha ha. Comedy show.

The RMT leadership is awash with Marxists. Mick Lynch, that dedicated socialist, earns 163k a year, by the way.

They are hypocrites whose only ambition is to feather their own nests and bring down any Tory government. They are dinosaurs who are cutting the throats of their own members.

The NHS is having loads of money pumped into it. No amount will ever be enough. There is no 'destruction'. It simply cannot be sustained with the current model.
Maybe Tony Blair should have thought about the impact on the NHS when he opened the flood gates of immigration. Perhaps successive government should have encouraged British people into the medical professions.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst There were others who got seen in similar timescales. Just sometimes maybe the actual hospital needs to look at itself. They all have enough managers, accountants, statisticians etc. how can it ALWAYS be about the money or the government. The data are easily accessible. Currently (November) hospitals are seeing 54.5% of attendances within 4 hours.
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Croydon 03 Jan 23 9.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The data are easily accessible. Currently (November) hospitals are seeing 54.5% of attendances within 4 hours.

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jan 23 10.06pm
Nothing is more indictive of the tory record of failure than the NHS. Imagine having to sleep in your car in a hospital car park to try and get seen, it is a calamity, a national emergency. And 70% of tories themselves think they have failed, so I read, an accident or emergency is something at the back of everyone's mind. Labour have always looked after the NHS, their greatest achievement.
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Croydon 03 Jan 23 10.06pm

Nothing is more indictive of the tory record of failure than the NHS.

Imagine having to sleep in your car in a hospital car park to try and get seen, it is a calamity, a national emergency.

And 70% of tories themselves think they have failed, so I read, an accident or emergency is something at the back of everyone's mind.

Labour have always looked after the NHS, their greatest achievement.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jan 23 10.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Nothing is more indictive of the tory record of failure than the NHS. Imagine having to sleep in your car in a hospital car park to try and get seen, it is a calamity, a national emergency. And 70% of tories themselves think they have failed, so I read, an accident or emergency is something at the back of everyone's mind. Labour have always looked after the NHS, their greatest achievement. Conservative voters overwhelmingly believe their party has failed in its management of the NHS during their time in Government, a poll suggests. A vast majority (73 per cent) said they thought NHS management had been a failure in the last decade, compared to just 16 per cent who said it had been a success, according to the Opinium survey for Compassion In Politics, shared exclusively with i. Of voters who backed the Tories in 2019, more also believe their party’s austerity policies have been a failure (47 per cent) than those who believe they were a success (16 per cent).
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Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jan 23 10.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Nothing is more indictive of the tory record of failure than the NHS.

Imagine having to sleep in your car in a hospital car park to try and get seen, it is a calamity, a national emergency.

And 70% of tories themselves think they have failed, so I read, an accident or emergency is something at the back of everyone's mind.

Labour have always looked after the NHS, their greatest achievement.

Conservative voters overwhelmingly believe their party has failed in its management of the NHS during their time in Government, a poll suggests.

A vast majority (73 per cent) said they thought NHS management had been a failure in the last decade, compared to just 16 per cent who said it had been a success, according to the Opinium survey for Compassion In Politics, shared exclusively with i.

Of voters who backed the Tories in 2019, more also believe their party’s austerity policies have been a failure (47 per cent) than those who believe they were a success (16 per cent).

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