As I often say, the right to moan as a football fan should remain a valid outlet from minute to minute on matchday and day to day outside. However I think some sage comments have been made this morning.

I still very much see us as transitioning, which if/when complete can never come soon enough. I still think financial investment is needed in playing staff and PV has many a lesson ahead however the fear of an inevitable catastrophe always somewhat distorts the reality as a Palace fan.

A few more points and God forbid a player or two before the end of the month may just mitigate that.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I would not hold him accountable for the squad, ie. He has said he wants players but the issue appears to be with the hierarchy.

However, there are a couple of issues with him (and they are no different to when Roy was here).

He clearly has his favourites. How Schlupp gets in ahead of Hughes is baffling. Playing Ward ahead of Clyne is another one.

He doesn't give any of PL2 players a chance. Ozoh came on the other night but only for a very short period and that first youngster who has played any PL minutes for quite a while.

We have put in some awful performances yet PV still resists on using any youngsters. You don't know how good they are until they are played.

I thought we might have passed the Roy issues.

are you seriously comparing, two finished CDs and a crap left back who could hardly get in the team, to Guehi, Andersen, Gallagher and Olise. Crackers

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

More bad news. Frank's been sacked. No doubt Everton will get in a half-decent manager and shoot up the table like Villa did post-Gerrard

Like many others I find aspects of Vieira’s management irritating at times. A failure to identify when things aren’t working and make early changes, an insistence on playing Schlupp and Ayew and not playing Hughes, not starting Mateta or Edouard and then bringing them both on and a reluctance to give any of the youth players a start. What’s the point in spending a fortune having a top class academy rather than redeveloping the ground if we aren’t prepared to give the youngsters a chance to show what they can do? While we are 7 points clear of the relegation zone there isn’t anything to worry about but things can change quickly. Let’s see where we are in 10 games time.

Several experienced managers walked (or should that be 'ran') away from the daunting rebuilding challenge post Hodgson. Vieira was man enough (and perhaps desperate enough?) to take it on - and didn't he do well last year?

A touch of second season syndrome, perhaps, and fans disappointed that things haven't progressed as quickly as they would have liked?

IMHO, Vieira is learning - the last 3 games are pointing to that. Not pretty but the best way for a team with limited resources as we have to take on the moneybags of this league. Chelsea, who have probably spent more in the last 12 months than we have in our whole PL existence, were lucky to get a 1-0 win against us.

I'm happy for PV to stay and see out his contract. I suspect if things go OK it'll get extended because he's not going to Arsenal quite as quickly as some once thought.