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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 05 Feb 23 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Forest now level with us and bang in form together with a massive squad.Leicester and West Ham improving and showing fight and determination,with us the complacent side who are meandering into the bottom three with relegation increasingly likely this season,and showing no qualities to escape the drop.

 

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waddy Flag Highton,Melbourne 05 Feb 23 6.39pm

I’m one who’s Pro Pat - Parish needs to back him for his contracted period +1

He has begun (too early for some) to turn our style of play around.Ask any commentator, pundit also other clubs still see us as a tricky team to play.

Yet results : so if we compare to the top ten & now some below - our recruitment remains to be crap.
Either we got zero money or players see us as a high risk, unless Pat is given a couple of proven players he has to start at the basics & it takes time.

I was just listening to Talk Sport & our very own Ambrose suggested we could be one
To go down - then suddenly back tracked.

The 2nd half will be a struggle ! I can see Pat walking if Textor does not release funds to purchase experienced players for x3 key positions- of which one has to be a leader on the pitch - Let’s see

 


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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 05 Feb 23 6.53pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

While we are not yet in the scrap, a loss to Brighton and then we will be looking over our shoulders, not forgetting that clubs below us have invested in strengthening their squads. Even if we hang in there this year, the consistent underspending will eventually catch up with us. We have not wasted money, like some other clubs, but unfortunately the investment in the academy and new stand will not have enough impact on earnings to free up new cash. I admire Steve Parish for stewarding the club to mid table status, but it is a reality that the capital structure of the club and shareholder capacity is not ideal for maintaining continued investment in the squad to move us up and potentially we could be looking down. Our business model looks good on paper, but our recruitment is not of the caliber of the Brentfords, Brightons etc. to enable positive cash flow from player investment. I wonder how much dividends are flowing to owners, thereby constraining our investment capacity?

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 05 Feb 23 7.09pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by waddy

I’m one who’s Pro Pat - Parish needs to back him for his contracted period +1

He has begun (too early for some) to turn our style of play around.Ask any commentator, pundit also other clubs still see us as a tricky team to play.

Yet results : so if we compare to the top ten & now some below - our recruitment remains to be crap.
Either we got zero money or players see us as a high risk, unless Pat is given a couple of proven players he has to start at the basics & it takes time.

I was just listening to Talk Sport & our very own Ambrose suggested we could be one
To go down - then suddenly back tracked.

The 2nd half will be a struggle ! I can see Pat walking if Textor does not release funds to purchase experienced players for x3 key positions- of which one has to be a leader on the pitch - Let’s see

Lack of quality investment in this window, will virtually ensure we find our natural level next season,the Championship.

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 05 Feb 23 7.16pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Sadly spot on Jacey.

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 05 Feb 23 7.28pm Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman


Thanks Willo. My point was they’ve spent a King’s ransom trying to get it right (€100m on Lukaku or £10m plus £160k a week for Aubameyang) and still can’t score…

And they still play Haverz up front! It just goes to highlight how difficult it is to buy a 15 goal a season striker.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Feb 23 7.43pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by waddy

I’m one who’s Pro Pat - Parish needs to back him for his contracted period +1

He has begun (too early for some) to turn our style of play around.Ask any commentator, pundit also other clubs still see us as a tricky team to play.

Yet results : so if we compare to the top ten & now some below - our recruitment remains to be crap.
Either we got zero money or players see us as a high risk, unless Pat is given a couple of proven players he has to start at the basics & it takes time.

I was just listening to Talk Sport & our very own Ambrose suggested we could be one
To go down - then suddenly back tracked.

The 2nd half will be a struggle ! I can see Pat walking if Textor does not release funds to purchase experienced players for x3 key positions- of which one has to be a leader on the pitch - Let’s see

Why are blaming Textor for not releasing funds? It seems to me he wanted to spend but SP is very cautious. Surely H&B are more to blame than Textor

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 23 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

And they still play Haverz up front! It just goes to highlight how difficult it is to buy a 15 goal a season striker.

My assessment of Havertz is that he is not quite a No 10 or a No 9 but is a hybrid.

A few years ago he said he has played as a No 6, a No 8, a No 10, out wide and as a striker but he prefers to play as a No 10.
At Bayer Leverkusen he often played as an attacking midfielder but also in central midfield, out wide and as a striker.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2023 7.47pm)

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Feb 23 7.45pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

And they still play Haverz up front! It just goes to highlight how difficult it is to buy a 15 goal a season striker.

Tammy Abraham scored 17 in the league for Roma last season, and 27 overall. Not so prolific this season, but an illustration of Chelsea lacking patience. Another is obviously Salah, loaned to and then bought by Roma (again) where he hit strong form before the move to Liverpool.
They've had the players...

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Feb 23 7.49pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

As many have mentioned, PV wants to play a certain style of football + we either lack the funds or the capability to finance /back this. So it looks as though the options are:

1. Back the manager and invest in a team compatible with his ‘style’.
2. Recognise that we cannot back the manager but also that he is either so dogmatic or incapable of adapting his approach that it renders his employment useless with the polo mint state of play.
3. Continue to underfund, keep the manager in place, pray things go well and only change if/when disaster looms almost inevitably and we really are staring into the abyss. Only then either invest or change manager.

In my eyes, they’re going with number 3. Therefore the only option if things really do go south, as the window has now passed, is to switch to number 2.

It feels more likely we will be staving off disaster once again as opposed to looking to improve. I have a feeling PV will not be here much longer whether that be before the end of the season or not. Either way it looks as though we embarked upon something but then foolishly took our foot off the pedal which could not only be a massive shame but also disastrous. Either that or we were incapable of it anyway and took a punt.

The only other circumstance I can imagine however is that things do turn around hugely, we start playing like Pep’s Barcelona, scoring for fun, finish in a European place, Ayew wins the golden boot, PV is hailed as a genius, the board and sceptics see that as reason to invest massively, Scott Banks comes back like prime Maradona along with other youth players similarly, Eze does win the ballon d’or, Joniesta wins Wimbledon and we all live happily ever after. I’m doubtful though.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 05 Feb 23 7.57pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

As many have mentioned, PV wants to play a certain style of football + we either lack the funds or the capability to finance /back this. So it looks as though the options are:

1. Back the manager and invest in a team compatible with his ‘style’.
2. Recognise that we cannot back the manager but also that he is either so dogmatic or incapable of adapting his approach that it renders his employment useless with the polo mint state of play.
3. Continue to underfund, keep the manager in place, pray things go well and only change if/when disaster looms almost inevitably and we really are staring into the abyss. Only then either invest or change manager.

I think there is a fourth option, and it's actually the one we're following. Basically, it's your option one (above) but, because we have limited funds, it's being enacted over three years rather than all at once. PV is getting the players that fit his style, but it's taking far more time than we'd ideally want to bring them in.

If we were Chelsea, Olise, Eze, Richards, Ahamada, Gallagher, Edouard, Mateta, Lokonga, Andersen, and Guehi would have all arrived in a single window, and if not that then in two windows. I think we're doing exactly what they'd do, but it's taking us three years rather than one to do it.

In some ways it's the right approach. Ideally, we wouldn't be underfunded and we wouldn't even need to discuss this but as long as we are, staying the course with the manager and taking a measured, long-term view of squad building - frustrating as it may be in the interim - is probably the best way forward. We'll know, to a point, in a few weeks time. If Ahamada and Lokonga impress and we start to look like a considerably better side over the next month, then it'll be easier to feel good about the jigsaw puzzle being assembled in this way.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 23 8.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I really do not believe we will collect many points from the next few fixtures.
I fervently hope that the likes of Bournemouth, Southampton,and Leeds also struggle to garner points in the same period.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2023 8.23pm)

 

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