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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 13 Feb 23 10.59am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

imagine busting your gut to generate a big pension pot and then dropping dead at 64....just before your retirement.

 


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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 13 Feb 23 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

I am mortgage free for a 2nd time. First time was after splitting from my first wife and buying a property on which I was able, shortly after, to pay off the mortgage after I inherited money from the sale of my mum's property after her death.

I then met a new woman, and wife to be, and we both sold our properties and pooled the money to buy a house together. However, our joint contribution was not enough to pay for the refurbishment of the house so I suddenly had a mortgage again.

But, earlier this year my wife's father died and she inherited a sizeable sum and was happy to pay off the mortgage. So, I/we are free of this burden, which is a nice feeling.

Edited by Pete53 (13 Feb 2023 2.54pm)

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 13 Feb 23 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

imagine busting your gut to generate a big pension pot and then dropping dead at 64....just before your retirement.

Of course the converse is not bothering about a pension and not dropping dead at 64 and spending your declining years in poverty.

At least if you drop dead you are not around to regret it, but if you survive you are.

Edited by Pete53 (13 Feb 2023 2.38pm)

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 13 Feb 23 2.50pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Of course the converse is not bothering about a pension and not dropping dead at 64 and spending your declining years in poverty.

At least if you drop dead you are not around to regret it, but if you survive you are.

Edited by Pete53 (13 Feb 2023 2.38pm)

surely there is an argument for busting a gut to acquire property, and leave it to your offspring ? you cannot leave a pension to your kids ?

if you get past age 65 ? let the taxpayer support you, cos you probably did support them. I know that the money you put into a pension is tax-efficient....its the getting of it back out that is difficult....especially if you croak early.

to bust a gut for a pension is to make two optimistic assumptions....a) your own longevity b) the longevity of this f..cked up society.

Imagine being a Roman living in 340 AD and busting a gut to pay into a dying society ?

or being a kid in Italy/Germany/Japan today....a society that has failed to reproduce any young and is therefore terminally ill

Edited by PalazioVecchio (13 Feb 2023 3.00pm)

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Feb 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Of course the converse is not bothering about a pension and not dropping dead at 64 and spending your declining years in poverty.

At least if you drop dead you are not around to regret it, but if you survive you are.

Edited by Pete53 (13 Feb 2023 2.38pm)

That's exactly what most people do, isn't it? But at least they then have someone else to blame for their own ineptitude i.e. the government, for making the state pension "not enough to live on".

 


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View The groover's Profile The groover Online Flag Danbury 13 Feb 23 4.22pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by YT

That's exactly what most people do, isn't it? But at least they then have someone else to blame for their own ineptitude i.e. the government, for making the state pension "not enough to live on".

At least the state pension now pays more to those that work. Even if it is only £40/week.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Feb 23 4.27pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

At least the state pension now pays more to those that work. Even if it is only £40/week.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean

 


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View The groover's Profile The groover Online Flag Danbury 13 Feb 23 4.37pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean

I believe that The basic state pension is £141.85

If you have paid the qualifying NI years its. £185.15

You need to have paid a min of 10 years NI to qualify for an increase and its a sliding scale up to the max 30 years.

There is a website where you can check your NI eligibility.

There is also something called pension credits for those below the min living wage.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 13 Feb 23 7.17pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

surely there is an argument for busting a gut to acquire property, and leave it to your offspring ? you cannot leave a pension to your kids ?

if you get past age 65 ? let the taxpayer support you, cos you probably did support them. I know that the money you put into a pension is tax-efficient....its the getting of it back out that is difficult....especially if you croak early.

to bust a gut for a pension is to make two optimistic assumptions....a) your own longevity b) the longevity of this f..cked up society.

Imagine being a Roman living in 340 AD and busting a gut to pay into a dying society ?

or being a kid in Italy/Germany/Japan today....a society that has failed to reproduce any young and is therefore terminally ill

Edited by PalazioVecchio (13 Feb 2023 3.00pm)

You can leave your pension pot to your children PV ….

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 13 Feb 23 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

You can leave your pension pot to your children PV ….

If it’s a money purchase pension (which most are now) you can. Better yet, it’s outside of your estate for Inheritance tax purposes. For people with large property, it’s the best vehicle for passing wealth to your kids.

If death is before 75 the beneficiary can draw it tax free, if after 75 the beneficiary will be subject to income tax at their marginal rate.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Feb 23 8.53pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I just don’t get this leaving it to the kids. Yes it’s great if you have it to leave but would you live a frugal existence just so your kids have it easy.
Maybe I’m wrong but I will not have bundles in old age so selling my house to live a decent ish life will happen and the sprogs know this and agree. Only my take with my situation.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Feb 23 9.14pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

If it’s a money purchase pension (which most are now) you can. Better yet, it’s outside of your estate for Inheritance tax purposes. For people with large property, it’s the best vehicle for passing wealth to your kids.

If death is before 75 the beneficiary can draw it tax free, if after 75 the beneficiary will be subject to income tax at their marginal rate.

I'm sorry, but this will only be true if the value of the pension pot at death plus the 'crystallisation value' of any pension benefits taken by the deceased prior to death is below the Lifetime Allowance (LTA). If the LTA threshold is crossed, then taxes WILL apply.

 


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