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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 14 Feb 23 2.15pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Delaying the raising of the flag in a situation where the official feels an offside offence has occurred is done to avoid robbing a side of a goal in the case of human error. VAR is here, most optimistically, to correct mistakes; it can only do so if something plays out.

Once a flag is raised, play is impacted, and VAR has nothing that it can review even if the assistant was wrong. Accordingly because VAR cannot award a hypothetical goal, assistants delay the flag — even if it seems obvious to us, they know all too well it is always possible that they’ve seen the alignment incorrectly.

Therefore you must acknowledge that a mistake was made in the Palace v Liverpool match last season. Benteke was put through by a pass from midfield (hard to believe, but true); the flag goes up faster than a jack-in-the-box closely followed by the referee's whistle to stop play and award a free kick to Liverpool. The TV pictures that evening showed that Benteke had been clearly "not offside" when the ball was kicked. Do you agree that that was an incorrect application of the agreed practice by the assistant and the referee?

 


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Originally posted by YT

Therefore you must acknowledge that a mistake was made in the Palace v Liverpool match last season. Benteke was put through by a pass from midfield (hard to believe, but true); the flag goes up faster than a jack-in-the-box closely followed by the referee's whistle to stop play and award a free kick to Liverpool. The TV pictures that evening showed that Benteke had been clearly "not offside" when the ball was kicked. Do you agree that that was an incorrect application of the agreed practice by the assistant and the referee?

Didn't the change in approach only come in this season in the PL?

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 2.29pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Therefore you must acknowledge that a mistake was made in the Palace v Liverpool match last season. Benteke was put through by a pass from midfield (hard to believe, but true); the flag goes up faster than a jack-in-the-box closely followed by the referee's whistle to stop play and award a free kick to Liverpool. The TV pictures that evening showed that Benteke had been clearly "not offside" when the ball was kicked. Do you agree that that was an incorrect application of the agreed practice by the assistant and the referee?

I refer to my contribution on a previous post :

"Prior to last season the PL issued a new directive whereby assistants should only delay in cases when there is both a clear goalscoring opportunity and the call is a tight one. If a chance of a goal is not obvious,for instance play is headed out to the wings, or the assistant feels sure of the offside call they will flag immediately".

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I have told you. Sorry if it didn't meet your standards.

Ah right. Sorry, I was confused by the unnecessary upward inflection

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Feb 23 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah right. Sorry, I was confused by the unnecessary upward inflection

A case for VAR.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Didn't the change in approach only come in this season in the PL?

You are quite right, the new PL directives were issued in August 2022 prior to the start of this season.

My cerebral matter thought it had been in situ last season !
At my advanced stage of life one doesn't buy green bananas and one is susceptible to some memory failings !


Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2023 2.36pm)

 

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Essentially yes.

I don't think defenders should be accountable for calling an offside (within reason). In a perfect world the linesman's flag would go up immediately and everybody would know that it is an offside. Plus, that would be given as a FK long before the defender would even touch the ball would it not?

I don't think that this is right. I'm happy with the ruling as it stands, that a player can be offside, but not affecting play. If the defender feels he needs to intercept, so be it.
If the ball goes through to the offside player, that is then offside. If The defender makes a mistake, and attempts to intercept, and it ends up deflecting off him, to the previously offisde attacker, so bit it also - this is the art of defending.

The issue is this Active/Inactive argument. It should be very rare for a player to be regarded as Inactive when in an offside position. But alas, it is not.
in my eyes, inactive players need to be 1) at least 50% of the width of the pitch away from the ball, and 2) prone/tying shoelaces/incapacitated.
The Rashford incident mentioned earlier is a prime example. he made an effort to play the ball. but at The last minute decided against it. he affected the decisions of at least 2 defenders. for him to be deemed 'InActive' is laughable.


Edited by CrazyBadger (14 Feb 2023 2.38pm)

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I don't think that this is right. I'm happy with the ruling as it stands, that a player can be offside, but not affecting play. If the defender feels he needs to intercept, so be it.
If the ball goes through to the offside player, that is then offside. If The defender makes a mistake, and attempts to intercept, and it ends up deflecting off him, to the previously offisde attacker, so bit it also - this is the art of defending.

The issue is this Active/Inactive argument. It should be very rare for a player to be regarded as Inactive when in an offside position. But alas, it is not.
in my eyes, inactive players need to be 1) at least 50% of the width of the pitch away from the ball, and 2) prone/tying shoelaces/incapacitated.
The Rashford incident mentioned earlier is a prime example. he made an effort to play the ball. but at The last minute decided against it. he affected the decisions of at least 2 defenders. for him to be deemed 'InActive' is laughable.


Edited by CrazyBadger (14 Feb 2023 2.38pm)

According to IFAB, a player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

The defender deliberately played the ball and made a hash of it.

 

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When the ball is kicked, a player standing in front of the defence to be offside.

Handball to be deliberate.

The complexity of the laws is the real reason for VAR errors imo, some are so complicated they can be both wrong and right.

It adds nothing to the game except a weekly tedious headbanger.

Phases active/inactive who cares.

Cloughie used to say if you are inactive how come you are on the pitch.

 

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Originally posted by YT

Therefore you must acknowledge that a mistake was made in the Palace v Liverpool match last season. Benteke was put through by a pass from midfield (hard to believe, but true); the flag goes up faster than a jack-in-the-box closely followed by the referee's whistle to stop play and award a free kick to Liverpool. The TV pictures that evening showed that Benteke had been clearly "not offside" when the ball was kicked. Do you agree that that was an incorrect application of the agreed practice by the assistant and the referee?

If you are talking about the home game, there is nothing to say but the officials wwere corrupt. The penalty, offside goal Friend has not reffed a Palace game since, funny that!
Palace looked like they were possibly going to win, tgat would have made the PL a one horse race. Cue the defender of all things Officials, Willo

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 23 7.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

If you are talking about the home game, there is nothing to say but the officials wwere corrupt. The penalty, offside goal Friend has not reffed a Palace game since, funny that!
Palace looked like they were possibly going to win, tgat would have made the PL a one horse race. Cue the defender of all things Officials, Willo

I am certainly NOT going to accuse the officials of corruption.
I do not accept for a minute that officials are corrupt.
Officials are human beings and all humans are NOT perfect.As I have already asserted perfection is not in the human gift.

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

If you are talking about the home game, there is nothing to say but the officials wwere corrupt. The penalty, offside goal Friend has not reffed a Palace game since, funny that!
Palace looked like they were possibly going to win, tgat would have made the PL a one horse race. Cue the defender of all things Officials, Willo

Yeah the corruption cliche is bollocks. Refs just make mistakes on the regular – however as a partisan fan you'll always see what you want to see.

 


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