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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Feb 23 8.28am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

During the Medieval, Serfs were tied to the land they tilled. Not allowed to wander far away.....without the express permission of the Lord of the Manor. You must stay in your little cottage and do your work. Failure or refusal to be brainwashed by the Church was strongly discouraged.

The Black Death pandemic did away with that as Labour became scarce and wages needed to be competitive. Which indirectly fed into the Peasant's Revolt.


The Covid pandemic has enslaved us again. ID cards, vaccination certs, the BBC licence fee. 15 minute Cities.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Feb 2023 12.59pm)

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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How is the 15 minute zone measured? Articles say it's walking or cycling. You can obviously go a lot further on a bike - according to Google Maps a 15 minute walk would get you from Norwood Junction to White Horse Road.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 22 Feb 23 9.00am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Educate me. Struggling to grasp the concept.

Personally, my retirement plans are predicated on the notion of taking myself off to an island in the Adriatic and seeing out my twilight years in a quiet little spot where everything I need and want is within a 15-minute gentle stroll.

So I grasp that part.

But this is my choice. And from what I can make out, the conflict appears to be around the notion/belief/fallacy, even though I struggle to grasp the details, that the Left are seeking to effectively impose this on people?

Genuinely interested in what is happening on this one because I cannot seem to get any straightforward answers, from either side..

Surely, Canaries fit the bill, low crime, low cost of living, subsidized by the EU, free healthcare if over 67, great weather, 75% of travel between two spanish places, if resident, heaven

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Feb 23 9.16am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Surely, Canaries fit the bill, low crime, low cost of living, subsidized by the EU, free healthcare if over 67, great weather, 75% of travel between two spanish places, if resident, heaven

I say this aware of where you live Lanzo.

When I retired I rented an apartment for 4 weeks in Los Cristianos Teneriffe as an experiment. After 3 weeks I was bored yes the weather was nice and so was the beach but it was not for me a complete lack of culture. Actually that's not true the British culture was daytime drinking again not for me.

I'm glad I did it as I realised I like London and the UK and missed art galleries and museums.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Feb 23 1.12pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

the British culture was daytime drinking again not for me.

if i was to retire to 'a place in the sun', i would defo try to avoid drunken hooligan brits. So Benidorm is a no no. Whereas some Southern City or town, at least 100 miles inland from the sea ? maybe.

so maybe Zagreb, Sofia, Toulouse or Salamanca. Who cares if its cold in January. The rest of the year is nice and the cost of living is cheap. And no drunken brits puking and fighting in the streets.

any other retirement-cities that Eagles would recommend ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Feb 2023 1.16pm)

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 22 Feb 23 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I say this aware of where you live Lanzo.

When I retired I rented an apartment for 4 weeks in Los Cristianos Teneriffe as an experiment. After 3 weeks I was bored yes the weather was nice and so was the beach but it was not for me a complete lack of culture. Actually that's not true the British culture was daytime drinking again not for me.

I'm glad I did it as I realised I like London and the UK and missed art galleries and museums.

you gave it a go and it wasn't for you, Tenerife, for me is the worst of the islands, having visited all 7 they are very different, in Lanzarote i would avoid Puerto del Carmen like the plague, yet, Arrieta is a lovely Spanish fishing village.

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Feb 23 1.30pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

if i was to retire to 'a place in the sun', i would defo try to avoid drunken hooligan brits. So Benidorm is a no no. Whereas some Southern City or town, at least 100 miles inland from the sea ? maybe.

so maybe Zagreb, Sofia, Toulouse or Salamanca. Who cares if its cold in January. The rest of the year is nice and the cost of living is cheap. And no drunken brits puking and fighting in the streets.

any other retirement-cities that Eagles would recommend ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Feb 2023 1.16pm)

Benni is a lot better than it used to be, one of our HOLer's lives far end of Levante Beach. 10k further along coast towards Alicante is a place called El Campello, its mainly a 'Spanish' resort, but, there it a thriving British ex-pats community(i know this). You just need to do your homework.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Feb 23 1.56pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Benni is a lot better than it used to be, one of our HOLer's lives far end of Levante Beach. 10k further along coast towards Alicante is a place called El Campello, its mainly a 'Spanish' resort, but, there it a thriving British ex-pats community(i know this). You just need to do your homework.

i know Benidorm & that coast quite well. Calpe, Denia, Alicante...all ok for a few days break. But wouldn't want to live there full time. An air-conditioning repair man told me that maybe 5% of his customers are spanish.....the rest are Russian, German, Brits, Dutch and everything else you could imagine.

it's not the real Spain. And as for the Balearic Islands ? seems to be a running joke among the Spanish....totally colonized, totally avoid.

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 22 Feb 23 4.45pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

A film that always made me shiver was Logan's Run. It was released in 1976, those of a certain age may remember it.

Set in 2274 in a 'utopian' city within an enclosed dome, where there is little or no work for humans to perform, and inhabitants are free to pursue all of the pleasures of life. The one catch: your life is limited to the age of thirty, then you are terminated.

To be honest all this ULEZ and 15 minute city nonsense sounds like life is beginning to follow art. The concept of being encouraged to keep within a close radius of home is alien to most and although, for various reasons I am not as mobile as I once was, it feels like the future is going to become a very dull and restricted place.

Bah Humbug!

POG,
this film gave rise to the term ' to do a Logans' in the 70s/80s
which was a runner from the curry house.
A popular sport with young men in late teens, early 20s (with some risk of a wack if caught) at the time.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 22 Feb 23 5.26pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

During the Medieval, Serfs were tied to the land they tilled. Not allowed to wander far away.....without the express permission of the Lord of the Manor. You must stay in your little cottage and do your work. Failure or refusal to be brainwashed by the Church was strongly discouraged.

The Black Death pandemic did away with that as Labour became scarce and wages needed to be competitive. Which indirectly fed into the Peasant's Revolt.


The Covid pandemic has enslaved us again. ID cards, vaccination certs, the BBC licence fee. 15 minute Cities.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Feb 2023 12.59pm)

Jesus

Enslaved? The only thing enslaving people is the same thing that's been enslaving them for centuries. Money. Have less, do less. Have more, do more. Fairly simple.

On the subject of your list, if we're talking about the UK

ID cards
Most of our essential 'keys' are now on our phones anyway. Absorbing an ID, drivers license and passport into them is a natural, logical step. It would also save a big chunk of money.

Vaccination certs
Long gone

License fee
Struggling to see how this is 'enslaving' me in the age of youtube/streaming

The only thing that will generate a peasants revolt is the ever increasing gap between the affluent and the poverty stricken, and automation.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 22 Feb 23 5.36pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

From what I understand this is simply a glorified planning initiative.

'Plan your city around making sure all necessary amenities are within a 15-minute walk'

Translation, make peoples lives easier and ensure it's less about luck or status as to whether you have access to essential and beneficial amenities.

Personally I think it's more of a planning concept, i.e. have hubs within cities so most of the time you're 15-20 mins walk away from the essentials.

However, I don't think this is particularly cost effective to retrofit. Planning a new city or town, fine. Makes sense.

Weirdly people have taken it to mean dystopian fenced off quarantine zones, guarded by the military and where you need to show ID to leave and enter. Riiight

'A 15-minute city does not confine us to our neighbourhoods or restrict our ability to travel. If your city adopts a 15-minute city approach, it simply means that it will become more possible and pleasant to meet more of your day-to-day needs, like buying groceries, within a short walk or bike ride from home if you want to. It means creating the conditions for local businesses, that rely on local custom, to thrive. Millions of people in cities around the world already live like this, and always have done; others are forced to travel to meet basic needs. Being able to do more close to home does not change to your freedom to travel further whenever you would like to.'

Sounds good to me, as long as the area in question is easy to develop according to that approach. Needs to be applied to suitable candidate areas only to avoid massive waste on consultancy fees and ballooning budgets.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 22 Feb 23 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

any other retirement-cities that Eagles would recommend ?


Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Feb 2023 1.16pm)

Oddly enough, Albania, almost anywhere along its coast line. Never been but from what I understand, a real gem. Plus it must be half empty by now.

Or Belgrade. Again, not an obvious choice but only hear good things about it.

 


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