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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 09 Mar 23 11.56am Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh, it can be refuted. Not that anyone actually needs to.

You do know the guy who is telling you this is one of the leaders of Qanon?

So the Chief of Police at the Capitol is lying?
So Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate leader, is lying?
VP Mike Pence was lying?
What I saw, live on TV, with my own eyes, was staged?
That those who have been charged and pleaded guilty are all part of a giant conspiracy?
Those Proud Boys urging on the mob were all actors and the interviews before and after were staged? Why don't the real Proud Boys deny it?
The meetings between Trump, Giuliani, Flynn and Alex Jones planning how to stop the certification of the result were fake?

Does anyone really believe this?

Rather more important refutations than mine have been made. Unusually the WH have refuted Carlson's video, which seems to be what this guy is also using:-

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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Mar 2023 8.36am)

What you originally saw (in 2021) was the cherry picked footage with expensive hollywood editing.
Fox News have the raw footage.
When it's unedited a three year old child could tell it's staged.
In the link I posted there's a two year old 20 minute raw footage sequence at the 22 minute mark
I think you should watch it Wisbech before you post again.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

What you originally saw (in 2021) was the cherry picked footage with expensive hollywood editing.
Fox News have the raw footage.
When it's unedited a three year old child could tell it's staged.
In the link I posted there's a two year old 20 minute raw footage sequence at the 22 minute mark
I think you should watch it Wisbech before you post again.

I watched enough to get the drift of the claims. Conspiracy theorists are well known for being able to make 2 + 2 = 10. Or edit things to tell the story they want to tell.

More importantly I watched the events unfold live at the time, from Trump's speech, the march to the Capital and then the mob trying to get in. Many news broadcasters were there. That wasn't either staged or edited. That was real and violent.

I have also read the explanations of why some of the footage released by Carlson appears relatively benign. Without the ability to deploy sufficient resource to forcibly and safely eject the mob the priority was to delay until the Senators and the staff could be removed to a place of safety. Tactics were employed to try to persuade some of the less determined rioters to persuade others that they had made their point and to leave. They were trying to defuse the situation and avoid violence. The video uses selected pieces to tell a fake narrative.

Too many people would have to be lying for what is claimed to be true, to possibly be true. Too many people who are known to have been involved have pleaded guilty.

It might fool the gullible. It doesn't fool me.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 10 Mar 23 7.21am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The bit of that footage that made me smile the most was when the Police are guiding 'Shamen' man around and they reach a locked door. The cop literally trys the handle and on finding it not moving, they all turn around and just trudge off again. LOL.

The entire thing is beyond parody.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 10 Mar 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I watched enough to get the drift of the claims. Conspiracy theorists are well known for being able to make 2 + 2 = 10. Or edit things to tell the story they want to tell.

More importantly I watched the events unfold live at the time, from Trump's speech, the march to the Capital and then the mob trying to get in. Many news broadcasters were there. That wasn't either staged or edited. That was real and violent.

I have also read the explanations of why some of the footage released by Carlson appears relatively benign. Without the ability to deploy sufficient resource to forcibly and safely eject the mob the priority was to delay until the Senators and the staff could be removed to a place of safety. Tactics were employed to try to persuade some of the less determined rioters to persuade others that they had made their point and to leave. They were trying to defuse the situation and avoid violence. The video uses selected pieces to tell a fake narrative.

Too many people would have to be lying for what is claimed to be true, to possibly be true. Too many people who are known to have been involved have pleaded guilty.

It might fool the gullible. It doesn't fool me.

There's no way you can watch that and still claim it was a mob.
A mob full of actors! I'll give you that.
What about the fake blood that didn't work properly?
So many discrepancies.
C'mon Wisbech. Apply a bit of integrity for once please.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

There's no way you can watch that and still claim it was a mob.
A mob full of actors! I'll give you that.
What about the fake blood that didn't work properly?
So many discrepancies.
C'mon Wisbech. Apply a bit of integrity for once please.

My integrity is intact. Is yours?

The guy presenting this is a leader of Qanon. Do you trust him? I don't.

If videos can be doctored by "Hollywood" then why can't they by others with an agenda to meet? Qanon don't have much of a track record for the truth, do they?

You also choose to ignore all the other evidence but it cannot be ignored.

I have no doubt at all that the prosecutions will continue, people will plead guilty and be locked up. What is obviously true cannot be denied. It's easy to pick a few pieces from hours of video, stitch them together and tell your own story. You can do it with words too. Extract choice words from the above and you can make "I plead guilty". When you can also add a few bits of colour you can end up with "I pleaded very guilty". Editing videos is no different.

Time will tell, but I fully expect this "evidence" to be analysed and debunked.

Besides anything else I see absolutely no reason why the riot would be staged. Trump had already lost and his "stolen election" claims shown to be baseless. There was no need to discredit those who believed these lies and the risk of discovery would far outweigh any potential benefit.

It therefore not only looks fake, because of the context, it makes no sense for it to be real.

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 10 Mar 23 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My integrity is intact. Is yours?

The guy presenting this is a leader of Qanon. Do you trust him? I don't.

If videos can be doctored by "Hollywood" then why can't they by others with an agenda to meet? Qanon don't have much of a track record for the truth, do they?

You also choose to ignore all the other evidence but it cannot be ignored.

I have no doubt at all that the prosecutions will continue, people will plead guilty and be locked up. What is obviously true cannot be denied. It's easy to pick a few pieces from hours of video, stitch them together and tell your own story. You can do it with words too. Extract choice words from the above and you can make "I plead guilty". When you can also add a few bits of colour you can end up with "I pleaded very guilty". Editing videos is no different.

Time will tell, but I fully expect this "evidence" to be analysed and debunked.

Besides anything else I see absolutely no reason why the riot would be staged. Trump had already lost and his "stolen election" claims shown to be baseless. There was no need to discredit those who believed these lies and the risk of discovery would far outweigh any potential benefit.

It therefore not only looks fake, because of the context, it makes no sense for it to be real.

Whatever way you edit it, Wisbech, fake blood is still fake blood! As in the stuff they use in the movies!
Your fact-checkers have betrayed you.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

Whatever way you edit it, Wisbech, fake blood is still fake blood! As in the stuff they use in the movies!
Your fact-checkers have betrayed you.

Not if that part of video is fake, filmed elsewhere and inserted to tell a false story.

Or if the video has been interfered with. There is some extremely sophisticated video editing software available these days.

My fact-checkers were my own eyes. Want to deny them too?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Mar 23 5.41am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not if that part of video is fake, filmed elsewhere and inserted to tell a false story.

Or if the video has been interfered with. There is some extremely sophisticated video editing software available these days.

My fact-checkers were my own eyes. Want to deny them too?

So the bits you believe are real; couldn’t have been sophisticatedly edited ?

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

So the bits you believe are real; couldn’t have been sophisticatedly edited ?

Not those I saw live. I learned a lesson during 9/11. I happened to be working at home that day and was alerted by an office based colleague that something was going on in New York and was asked to turn on my TV and keep them updated. There was live coverage from several broadcasters being carried on UK TV. I watched the 2nd plane fly into the tower. I watched things that were edited out of repeats, because they were too awful. I watched the towers collapse. It was all too real. That though didn't stop people constructing conspiracy theories that it was all fake, the towers had been blown up by the US government, that no plane impact could account for it, with detailed calculations of the strength of the steel etc etc. These were all put to me by a bunch of US ex pats in the Philippines just a year or two later. They were totally convinced they were right and got very angry if anyone disagreed. It was the first time I had ever heard such things, but regrettably, not the last.

The same seems to be happening with the riot.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not those I saw live. I learned a lesson during 9/11. I happened to be working at home that day and was alerted by an office based colleague that something was going on in New York and was asked to turn on my TV and keep them updated. There was live coverage from several broadcasters being carried on UK TV. I watched the 2nd plane fly into the tower. I watched things that were edited out of repeats, because they were too awful. I watched the towers collapse. It was all too real. That though didn't stop people constructing conspiracy theories that it was all fake, the towers had been blown up by the US government, that no plane impact could account for it, with detailed calculations of the strength of the steel etc etc. These were all put to me by a bunch of US ex pats in the Philippines just a year or two later. They were totally convinced they were right and got very angry if anyone disagreed. It was the first time I had ever heard such things, but regrettably, not the last.

The same seems to be happening with the riot.

Yes any of us can get annoyed if people disagree with our thoughts !!!

 

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Catchy melody. Pity about the lyrics.

Just goes to prove how enterprising people will find ways of monetising every situation.

Alex Jones has done it for years. Others are following in his footsteps and spreading conspiracy theories via videos, whilst asking people to "subscribe", so they can continue to tell the "truth".

People have always been gullible. Others have always exploited them. Only the methods have changed. Del Boy would be proud.

 

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