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  Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I was at an FA cup game at Barrow once. They all had miners' helmets with lights. A little intimidating with several thousand of them. At least the thread isn't getting diverted. I was at Selhurst when we beat them 9-0, which I think was our biggest ever win.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You might as well have gone straight to a military coup. Of course not. Right-wing dictators do that. I am a believer in parliamentary democracy. With the emphasis on parliamentary. Which means that we choose the parliament and they take the decisions. Not the people after being wound up by the right-wing press barons.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
What does the case in Barrow shine a light on? For me, nothing. I have always regarded Yaxley-Lennon as a self-opinionated, attention seeking rabble-rouser, with scant regard for the truth or the law, and even less genuine concern for the victims of the gangs. Hopefully what happened there has enabled a few others to see it too, although whether any who use this site will, is in doubt. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Mar 2023 9.12pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Mar 23 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's a demand for a confirmatory referendum, not direct action! Something I disagreed with. I wanted Parliament itself to act, toss out Johnson, install an interim pm, and do what they truly believed was in our best interests. In the end Corbyn stopped that from happening. If he had stood aside I doubt we would now be in the mess that Brexit has caused. That is utterly bonkers.
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| georgenorman 16 Mar 23 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not. Right-wing dictators do that. I am a believer in parliamentary democracy. With the emphasis on parliamentary. Which means that we choose the parliament and they take the decisions. Not the people after being wound up by the right-wing press barons. Parliament took the decision to hold a binding referendum and the people, despite the majority of the media and almost the entire establishment waging Project Fear, choose to leave the undemocratic, dictatorial, price-rigging, protectionist racket that is the EU.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 16 Mar 23 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Parliament took the decision to hold a binding referendum and the people, despite the majority of the media and almost the entire establishment waging Project Fear, choose to leave the undemocratic, dictatorial, price-rigging, protectionist racket that is the EU. the same EU that has destroyed our borders and the personal safety of our women & children.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is utterly bonkers. Only those who don't truly believe in British Parliamentary Democracy and how it is supposed to work, think that, so your reaction is no surprise at all. I want our representatives to vote using only their consciences as their guide. Not looking over their shoulder at the Daily Mail, or at the boot of their whips aimed at their backside.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Parliament took the decision to hold a binding referendum and the people, despite the majority of the media and almost the entire establishment waging Project Fear, choose to leave the undemocratic, dictatorial, price-rigging, protectionist racket that is the EU. Just wrong. That this is a widely held opinion doesn't mean it is true. It isn't. No Parliament did that, or could so that. Parliament is sovereign. Cameron promised to honour the result, but he cannot bind Parliament. When he lost, he did the honourable thing and resigned. Both the Tories and Labour promised to implement the decision in their manifestos but the debate had moved on to whether we had a hard or soft Brexit. Which is why a second vote was being fought over, but not wanted by me. I wanted Parliament to decide but in a free vote. not on party political lines.
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Mar 23 5.45am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just wrong. That this is a widely held opinion doesn't mean it is true. It isn't. No Parliament did that, or could so that. Parliament is sovereign. Cameron promised to honour the result, but he cannot bind Parliament. When he lost, he did the honourable thing and resigned. Both the Tories and Labour promised to implement the decision in their manifestos but the debate had moved on to whether we had a hard or soft Brexit. Which is why a second vote was being fought over, but not wanted by me. I wanted Parliament to decide but in a free vote. not on party political lines. So how many MPs voted with their career and not their head iyo. Whichever way they are still the same mps whom you wanted to make the decision.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 23 8.37am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So how many MPs voted with their career and not their head iyo. Whichever way they are still the same mps whom you wanted to make the decision. I am not sure that many would see it as just "with their career". A lot came from a sense of duty and loyalty to their party, and not from any sense of putting priority on that which was in the best interests of the people. This is a result of the way our system has developed and what I have argued needs modernising in other threads. This attitude runs deep within the current system. Look at the way some on here approve of the way the Tory party members think the way Truss was chosen as PM to be logical and right. Johnson and the whips exerted enormous pressure. In the interests of honest decision-making, we need to remove the shackles from our representatives and ensure they vote only with their conscience. Most times that will dictate that, in the interests of good government and steady purpose, they will vote along party lines. However, when things that are outside the day-to-day arise, that affect the soul of the nation, like Brexit, they should not be "granted" a free vote. It should not be in doubt. They must always vote in secret.
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 becky over the moon 17 Mar 23 9.06am |
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Kindly take this debate over onto one of the Brexit threads.... One deviation from topic is fine, the second one, less so...
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Mar 23 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not sure that many would see it as just "with their career". A lot came from a sense of duty and loyalty to their party, and not from any sense of putting priority on that which was in the best interests of the people. This is a result of the way our system has developed and what I have argued needs modernising in other threads. This attitude runs deep within the current system. Look at the way some on here approve of the way the Tory party members think the way Truss was chosen as PM to be logical and right. Johnson and the whips exerted enormous pressure. In the interests of honest decision-making, we need to remove the shackles from our representatives and ensure they vote only with their conscience. Most times that will dictate that, in the interests of good government and steady purpose, they will vote along party lines. However, when things that are outside the day-to-day arise, that affect the soul of the nation, like Brexit, they should not be "granted" a free vote. It should not be in doubt. They must always vote in secret. Back to TR. Did you watch the video of him with Mo Rammy. Basically was closed down and had a report that could have helped exonerate Mo earlier and before his kids and businesses were ruined. Did more investigating than the plod on the girls past.
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