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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Mar 23 7.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Antonio Conte is now unemployed

Conte is a good manager but likes clubs that spend money and then complains if he doesn't win a trophy they didn't spend enough (it's never his fault).

Knowing his track record I never understood why Spurs went for him the outcome was so predicable and sure enough he blames the players. I think he engineered his exit as he has a job in Italy lined up already for next season.

He is never coming to Palace and would be a terrible fit if he did.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 27 Mar 23 8.06am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I think Spurs went for him so that the board could say that they provided the team with a top class manager, so if they didn't win anything it wasn't the boards fault -

Spurs are in a difficult position, they are almost there in terms of competing with the very top teams but the financial gap between being an also ran & being able to win something, even for them remains huge - (Seemingly too huge for Daniel Levy to agree to cover)

Originally posted by Badger11

Conte is a good manager but likes clubs that spend money and then complains if he doesn't win a trophy they didn't spend enough (it's never his fault).

Knowing his track record I never understood why Spurs went for him the outcome was so predicable and sure enough he blames the players. I think he engineered his exit as he has a job in Italy lined up already for next season.

He is never coming to Palace and would be a terrible fit if he did.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Mar 23 9.16am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I think Spurs went for him so that the board could say that they provided the team with a top class manager, so if they didn't win anything it wasn't the boards fault -

Spurs are in a difficult position, they are almost there in terms of competing with the very top teams but the financial gap between being an also ran & being able to win something, even for them remains huge - (Seemingly too huge for Daniel Levy to agree to cover)

Tottenham were in 8th place when Conte took up the reins after 10 PL games last season and led them to 4th place.He has left them with Tottenham currently 4th in the table.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Mar 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Tottenham were in 8th place when Conte took up the reins after 10 PL games last season and led them to 4th place.He has left them with Tottenham currently 4th in the table.

Very true:

Conte - Had them Top 4, sacked.
Nuno - Had them top of the league, sacked.
Mourinho - Had them in cup final, sacked.
Poch - CL final, sacked.

There's obviously something wrong there and the general consensus seems to be it is the board. Conte always looked as though he was never aboard their ship and I am surprised he stayed/lasted as long as he did.

I don't hate Spuds with the same venom I do the other 'bigger' teams so am somewhat empathetic towards their situation. Conte cast as distant and unengaged a figure as PV for me. The types of manager who will keep clubs without any real ambition or ability to deliver it going are few and far between - welcome back Roy.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Palace manager for next season if Roy keeps us afloat?

I reckon it will be David Moyes. He'll leave West Ham by mutual consent unless they win the European trophy they are in and stay up reasonably comfortably.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Mar 23 10.04am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Very true:

Conte - Had them Top 4, sacked.
Nuno - Had them top of the league, sacked.
Mourinho - Had them in cup final, sacked.
Poch - CL final, sacked.

There's obviously something wrong there and the general consensus seems to be it is the board. Conte always looked as though he was never aboard their ship and I am surprised he stayed/lasted as long as he did.

I don't hate Spuds with the same venom I do the other 'bigger' teams so am somewhat empathetic towards their situation. Conte cast as distant and unengaged a figure as PV for me. The types of manager who will keep clubs without any real ambition or ability to deliver it going are few and far between - welcome back Roy.

Tottenham were 8th when they rid Espirito Santo of his services.
Tottenham were 7th when Mourinho departed.
Tottenham were 14th when Pochettino left the club.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 27 Mar 23 10.11am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Don't think there was any surprise that Esprito Santo or Mourinho left. In fact both of them and Conte were strange choices, as they tend to play counter attacking football.

I know many Spurs fans and they want to win playing attractive football, in fact they have become so used to not winning, that they settle for 4th place and playing good football.

Pochettino was having a poor season having massively overperformed with them. Playing attractive football and up there as one of the best in the country for a couple of years.

Problem I think Spurs have is that they are probably the weakest of the big 6 and the one's that Newcastle are likely to overhaul first in their quest to become one of the big boys. Spurs have only ever won the League twice, and can't even win the FA Cup these days. I think they may have to accept where they are in the pecking order.


Originally posted by Willo

Tottenham were 8th when they rid Espirito Santo of his services.
Tottenham were 7th when Mourinho departed.
Tottenham were 14th when Pochettino left the club.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Mar 23 10.14am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Tottenham were 8th when they rid Espirito Santo of his services.
Tottenham were 7th when Mourinho departed.
Tottenham were 14th when Pochettino left the club.

I said 'had them' not 'were in' Willo.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Mar 23 10.26am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I said 'had them' not 'were in' Willo.

I totally understand.

My comments simply highlighted the fact that Tottenham dispensed with the aforementioned managers at a time when they were not in the upper echelons of the PL, certainly not in the Champions League places, besides their league form was far from impressive.

Espirito Santos was relieved of his duties having lost 5 of the previous 8 PL games, including a defeat at Arsenal.
Mourinho had only won 4 of his previous 10 PL games.
Pochettino had only won 3 PL games in 12 played that season when he was shown the door.

Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2023 10.35am)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Mar 23 10.35am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I totally understand.

My comments simply highlighted the fact that Tottenham dispensed with the aforementioned managers at a time when they were not in the upper echelons of the PL, certainly not in the Champions League places.

Espirito Santos was relieved of his duties having lost 5 of the previous 8 PL games, including a defeat at Arsenal.
Mourinho had only won 4 of his previous 10 PL games.
Pochettino had only won 3 PL games in 12 played that season when he was shown the door.

Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2023 10.27am)

That's fair enough.

My point was to mirror our own situation. There are not many 'high profile' managers willing to attempt in taking clubs to a 'next level' without backing. Conte clearly felt as though he was not being backed and beyond attempting a fourth place finish, Spurs who have not won anything bar a league cup in however long did not seem to have any ambition beyond the expectance of overachieving, not attractive for any employee.

This expectancy of miracles from a club board rings true and a bit too close to home for me. We progressed from a new style of football, a younger, more promising team finishing mid table to welcoming back an old manager to fight relegation after not spending any money on players.

I am unfortunately in close proximity to a number of Spurs fans (through family/social networks not location) and we often have similar tales of woe!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by fish mitten

Don't think there was any surprise that Esprito Santo or Mourinho left. In fact both of them and Conte were strange choices, as they tend to play counter attacking football.

I know many Spurs fans and they want to win playing attractive football, in fact they have become so used to not winning, that they settle for 4th place and playing good football.

Pochettino was having a poor season having massively overperformed with them. Playing attractive football and up there as one of the best in the country for a couple of years.

Problem I think Spurs have is that they are probably the weakest of the big 6 and the one's that Newcastle are likely to overhaul first in their quest to become one of the big boys. Spurs have only ever won the League twice, and can't even win the FA Cup these days. I think they may have to accept where they are in the pecking order.

Valid points, nice ground s*** team.

Until they sell the club to someone whose prepared to spend big I agree Spurs will bounce between 4-8th.

On your other post that Moyes could be be our next manager again i think a good call and I would not be too upset about that.

 


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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 27 Mar 23 12.10pm Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Moyes may not be the manager to bring a new style of football, but having failed twice with that idea, I wonder if SP and the board will view him as the manager that will get us playing pragmatic football within our budget.

I too won't be too disappointed. No point going for a manager who wants to play expansive passing football and then not supporting him with the signings to do so.


Originally posted by Badger11

Valid points, nice ground s*** team.

Until they sell the club to someone whose prepared to spend big I agree Spurs will bounce between 4-8th.

On your other post that Moyes could be be our next manager again i think a good call and I would not be too upset about that.

 

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