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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A future not desired by me or any true democrat. Whilst Hungary is still impacted by its communist heritage it remains too close to Russia for comfort. The Orban government supports and encourages the "conservative" media whilst suppressing the liberal media. For anyone who believes in free speech this ought to be a red flag! Orban's government is a corrupt kleptocracy, members of his family and friends have grown rich on his back.

This isn't the future. It's a lingering vision of the past. It's not evolution. It's regression.

We don't elect politicians to do what we want! We elect politicians to do what we need. Populism is a road to ruin.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 May 2023 8.49am)

If true Orban has much in common with Biden, Clinton, Blair and many, many others.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's quite incredible really.

If you took Wisbech as the person to rely upon for news about what this report actually says you'd get the wrong impression....Mmmm....shades of marketing perhaps...not exactly focused in on the objective.

Let's take some actual quotes from the report:

A very important conclusion from this report....and a very damning one for Wisbech, when you read what he said all through the 'Bias against Trump' thread was that 'the FBI had not possessed "actual evidence" of collusion between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia before launching an inquiry'.

For years Wisbech told us on this forum that Trump was guilty of this and here we have it.....this was a politically motivated set up.

One of us said near the start of that thread that Trump wasn't going to go to jail for this and one of us was right and the other...not so much. In fact it looks like his 'jam tomorrow' is rapidly nearing its expiry date.

To quote this report some more.

The FBI's inquiry had lacked 'analytical rigor'.

The FBI had the FBI had pursued an inquiry and wasted money on 'raw, unanalysed and uncorroborated intelligence'

The FBI were guilty of 'confirmation bias' (shocker) and that it ignored information that didn't support those biases.....Blimey it almost sounds like Wisbech could have had a career there.

Significant differences were noted between how the FBI had treated Clinton during her email inquiry and how it treated Trump. Clinton had received briefings from the FBI whereas Trump did not.

A rather damning conclusion is drawn with, 'the Department [of Justice] and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law'.....Wow.

When you read the FBI's response....you can sum it up with 'trust me bro'...Well, personally I don't think they have earned that trust and shown that they are politically attuned to what their objective mission is....they come out here as root and branch political.

No one gets held accountable for these failures, so what incentive is there for any improvement or change? It's just words. Until a new broom comes in and starts taking names nothing changes.

Regardless, as I said years ago, the US is only heading one way and that is an inevitable national division....I just pray it's peaceful....not that anyone seems to believe in compromises in the US.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2023 4.17am)

As anticipated the kind of political spin that Trump consistently uses about him suffering from a "witch hunt" surfaces here from the usual suspect.

This report was commissioned by Trump. Its terms of reference were set by him. It set out to find holes in the way the FBI operated. Look through anyone's wardrobe and you will find some holes. Focussing on the holes and not looking at what was discovered is exactly what was intended.

The report merely points out what we already knew, or ought to know. That no organisation is perfect and incapable of improvement and when working in a political environment people are always going to claim bias. It's the same here with the BBC and no more true. The FBI do their job.

What the report doesn't do is impact in any way at all what the Mueller report said or what he did. The pathway to getting to the conclusions might have been smoother but they got there anyway.

That's where the focus ought to be. On the substance and not the political froth. Trump and his base won't do that of course. They'll up the rhetoric and divert, divert divert. Us not being so embroiled in the politics ought to make us more objective, but no, the garbage spoonfed by Trump finds willing mouths here too.

What really matters is whether locked away in a filing cabinet somewhere is the evidence of conspiracy that Barr instructed Mueller not to reveal. I have always said that patience is needed, and the truth of that is now being confirmed as these cases drip slowly out. This is no pot of sweet jam waiting to be spread tomorrow. This is a can of bitter worms gathering dust in a quiet corner. Jam goes mouldy and has to be thrown out. Cans can last 100 years and still be fine.

There's certainly huge divisions in the USA and a lot of talk of splits but as any actual moves towards one would create more problems than it ever could solve it must be avoided. Just ask yourself who benefits from such a split? Then who might be politically agitating and conspiring with others to achieve one? Which is why that can of worms might be dusted off. Patience!


 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

If true Orban has much in common with Biden, Clinton, Blair and many, many others.

Not in the same way though.

Family members being recruited or lawyers getting briefs because of their name isn't the same as huge government contracts being placed with family and friends.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Don't you worry. I'll tell anyone who comes out with the kind of nonsense you do the same thing. They just don't happen to inhabit this space. I wonder why? Perhaps because you do?

I don't for a moment deny we are going through an intense period of change, in many different ways. You seem totally obsessed with just one, which will sort itself out given time and effort. Effort that people like you are unwilling to make. You prefer to bang your head on the wall in a football forum instead of actually doing something positive. There are community groups designed to bridge gaps and increase understanding of diametrically opposite views. Go and join one, treat others with respect and listen as well as speak. You might just soften a little. Immigration is a fact of life today and that's not going to change anytime soon, despite the politicking of people like Braverman. My goodness doesn't she spout some garbage?

It is a policy, and policy can be changed. It has to be if we want to preserve our society.

You simply don't grasp the implications o the current world situation.

You live in some Disney world of self delusion.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a policy, and policy can be changed. It has to be if we want to preserve our society.

You simply don't grasp the implications o the current world situation.

You live in some Disney world of self delusion.

The deluded world is entirely yours.

We would not be able to "preserve our society" if we closed our borders in the way you wish. Even if that were practical. Many industries would be starved of labour, costs would rise, services would decline, inflation increase and the standard of living fall. For what? Just so you would see less people who don't look or think like you? People who in the fullness of time become more and more like you anyway.

The world has indeed changed. Maybe I have seen rather more of it than you! It won't be changing back either, so pulling up the drawbridge is not a practical option. We can make adjustments, we can train our own workforce better, and we can reduce the pool of long-term sick and the workshy. All of which takes a lot of time and money and only mitigates things a little.

Immigration is necessary and it will continue. Get used to it.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The deluded world is entirely yours.

We would not be able to "preserve our society" if we closed our borders in the way you wish. Even if that were practical. Many industries would be starved of labour, costs would rise, services would decline, inflation increase and the standard of living fall. For what? Just so you would see less people who don't look or think like you? People who in the fullness of time become more and more like you anyway.

The world has indeed changed. Maybe I have seen rather more of it than you! It won't be changing back either, so pulling up the drawbridge is not a practical option. We can make adjustments, we can train our own workforce better, and we can reduce the pool of long-term sick and the workshy. All of which takes a lot of time and money and only mitigates things a little.

Immigration is necessary and it will continue. Get used to it.

Indeed. Legal immigration.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The deluded world is entirely yours.

We would not be able to "preserve our society" if we closed our borders in the way you wish. Even if that were practical. Many industries would be starved of labour, costs would rise, services would decline, inflation increase and the standard of living fall. For what? Just so you would see less people who don't look or think like you? People who in the fullness of time become more and more like you anyway.

The world has indeed changed. Maybe I have seen rather more of it than you! It won't be changing back either, so pulling up the drawbridge is not a practical option. We can make adjustments, we can train our own workforce better, and we can reduce the pool of long-term sick and the workshy. All of which takes a lot of time and money and only mitigates things a little.

Immigration is necessary and it will continue. Get used to it.

Don't be bloody stupid.

We have an ever increasing influx yearly, and we don't need the vast majority of them.
They are now talking about one million in a year.

For once in your blinkered life, just think about that for a moment.

We are heading for a massive crisis on many fronts.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't be bloody stupid.

We have an ever increasing influx yearly, and we don't need the vast majority of them.
They are now talking about one million in a year.

For once in your blinkered life, just think about that for a moment.

We are heading for a massive crisis on many fronts.

Just seen this

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Originally posted by Badger11

Just seen this

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It's not surprising. People aren't coping with the modern world and it's demands.

We are paying more tax than ever, with food inflation at an alarming level and thousands of illegals costing us a fortune.

Meanwhile, violent crime is soaring, and the NHS is collapsing.

How has the huge influx of migrants since the Blair government helped us?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't be bloody stupid.

We have an ever increasing influx yearly, and we don't need the vast majority of them.
They are now talking about one million in a year.

For once in your blinkered life, just think about that for a moment.

We are heading for a massive crisis on many fronts.

Don't be so bloody rude!

I think about this a lot, and reach a diametrically different conclusion to you. The one million forecast is expected to be a blip but immigration is nonetheless expected to be necessary for the foreseeable future. Our economy would not survive intact if we shut the door. You think about that for a moment!

Managing it better, getting control of the illegals and making better use of our underutilised local resources can all help. They won't though eliminate the need, they might reduce it somewhat.

We are already in a crisis. We don't need to make it worse by starving businesses and our health service of the skills they need to serve us.

Stop worrying so much. Our country is changing faster than at any time in our history, but that's true of many places. There's nothing to fear about it or, more importantly, nothing you can do other than do what you can to adjust and make your own relationships better. This is the world our children and grandchildren will live in. To them it will seem perfectly normal so kindly do your best not to pollute their minds too much with your xenophobia.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Just seen this

[Link]

I heard this debated this morning. Apparently, it's a long-term trend which started well before the pandemic and continued on up since then. Back and leg strain from home working was cited. That sounds a bit of a stretch to me!!! Along with the possible impact of long Covid.

I think it's more likely because of the illogical benefit system we have which can allow abuse to prosper and reward inactivity more than endeavour. That's down to the government.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Don't be so bloody rude!

I think about this a lot, and reach a diametrically different conclusion to you. The one million forecast is expected to be a blip but immigration is nonetheless expected to be necessary for the foreseeable future. Our economy would not survive intact if we shut the door. You think about that for a moment!

Managing it better, getting control of the illegals and making better use of our underutilised local resources can all help. They won't though eliminate the need, they might reduce it somewhat.

We are already in a crisis. We don't need to make it worse by starving businesses and our health service of the skills they need to serve us.

Stop worrying so much. Our country is changing faster than at any time in our history, but that's true of many places. There's nothing to fear about it or, more importantly, nothing you can do other than do what you can to adjust and make your own relationships better. This is the world our children and grandchildren will live in. To them it will seem perfectly normal so kindly do your best not to pollute their minds too much with your xenophobia.

Mind your own business.

The policy is born from the usual self serving short termism and cannot succeed in doing anything other than overpopulating the country and destroying everything that used to make Britain a country that people were glad to live in.

As someone once said, Call somewhere paradise, and you can kiss it goodbye.

Say hello to a third world hellhole.

 

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