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In summary, the FBI carried out a political operation without any evidence in contradiction and violation of their purpose.

The FBI has accepted this back in 2019 and started " changes " to prevent it happening again, in other words admitted wrongdoing

Many lives were ruined.

There must be a reckoning of firings and possible crimial charged against the main plotters.

Anyone who still maintains that this episode was anything other than a plot between the Democrats and a huge Federal agency has serious issues with reality.

It might be difficult or even embarrassing that people were taken in hook, line and sinker but bear in mind, many of those were ideologues with an agenda who were quite happy with the events.

Ironic that as this hoax was developed with no evidence, the Hunter Biden laptop which had real evidence was suppressed by the same actors.

All will be revealed in time

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 17 May 23 12.42am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

In summary, the FBI carried out a political operation without any evidence in contradiction and violation of their purpose.

The FBI has accepted this back in 2019 and started " changes " to prevent it happening again, in other words admitted wrongdoing

Many lives were ruined.

There must be a reckoning of firings and possible crimial charged against the main plotters.

Anyone who still maintains that this episode was anything other than a plot between the Democrats and a huge Federal agency has serious issues with reality.

It might be difficult or even embarrassing that people were taken in hook, line and sinker but bear in mind, many of those were ideologues with an agenda who were quite happy with the events.

Ironic that as this hoax was developed with no evidence, the Hunter Biden laptop which had real evidence was suppressed by the same actors.

All will be revealed in time

Yep, and because there is zero accountability there will be no change.

Just like there was zero accountability for Iraq.

Just like there was zero accountability for the banking crash of 2008.

The elites are allowed to destroy lives in their millions and they always get off scott free.

In fact it's worse than that.....even when the results are disasters for Joe Public the enactors not only get to hide from accountability but they frequently get promoted and rewarded for loyalty to their paymasters.

Yet, some poor fella screws up his tax form....holy moly.

Failing upwards is so common it's a sick joke....but all together it all contributes to chipping away at the foundations that previous generations worked so hard to build.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2023 12.45am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 May 23 7.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Durham did not find any evidence that the Democrats conspired with the FBI so some critics have seized on this as an excuse.

They are of course missing the point the FBI began an official and high profile investigation into a highly politically sensitive matter without any evidence to warrant it. That is the point.

Why they decided to do this is the $60,000 question. What I find telling is the lack of complaints about the Durham report from either the FBI or the Democrats which suggests that his conclusions are largely correct.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 17 May 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, and because there is zero accountability there will be no change.

Just like there was zero accountability for Iraq.

Just like there was zero accountability for the banking crash of 2008.

The elites are allowed to destroy lives in their millions and they always get off scott free.

In fact it's worse than that.....even when the results are disasters for Joe Public the enactors not only get to hide from accountability but they frequently get promoted and rewarded for loyalty to their paymasters.

Yet, some poor fella screws up his tax form....holy moly.

Failing upwards is so common it's a sick joke....but all together it all contributes to chipping away at the foundations that previous generations worked so hard to build.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2023 12.45am)

Just a good summary of the way I'm feeling about the difference between failure at the top and failure amongst the general population.
I've just seen a Manager of mine take 6 months off with stress. She ran the department into the ground. She takes a 2 week cruise whilst off sick, and on her return is promoted 'out of the way', to a job with less work and impact on others. She didn't even have an interview. Imagine how good it must be to be an actual elite ? The rewards must be fantastic

Sorry, i wandered off-topic. The classic "no evidence" line is pulled on all these investigative summaries. It's a cop-out. It was used during Covid, which ultimately meant,.."we didn't look for evidence"

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 May 2023 9.40am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 May 23 9.41am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Just a good summary of the way I'm feeling about the difference between failure at the top and failure amongst the general population.
I've just seen a Manager of mine take 6 months off with stress. She ran the department into the ground. She takes a 2 week cruise whilst off sick, and on her return is promoted 'out of the way', to a job with less work and impact on others. She didn't even have an interview. Imagine how good it must be to be an actual elite ? The rewards must be fantastic

Sorry, i wandered off-topic. The classic "no evidence" line is pulled on all these investigative summaries. It's a cop-out. It was used during Covid, which ultimately meant,.."we didn't look for evidence"

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 May 2023 9.40am)

Is she a politician

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

In summary, the FBI carried out a political operation without any evidence in contradiction and violation of their purpose.

The FBI has accepted this back in 2019 and started " changes " to prevent it happening again, in other words admitted wrongdoing

Many lives were ruined.

There must be a reckoning of firings and possible crimial charged against the main plotters.

Anyone who still maintains that this episode was anything other than a plot between the Democrats and a huge Federal agency has serious issues with reality.

It might be difficult or even embarrassing that people were taken in hook, line and sinker but bear in mind, many of those were ideologues with an agenda who were quite happy with the events.

Ironic that as this hoax was developed with no evidence, the Hunter Biden laptop which had real evidence was suppressed by the same actors.

All will be revealed in time

It might be your summary, and that of other posters here as well as what Trump would like you to believe, but it isn't actually true.

The report was commissioned by Trump in 2019 to try to justify his claims of a witch hunt. It's taken 4 years to come up with some criticism of the way the FBI carried out the investigation but there is no suggestion at all that they were politically influenced. They were acting on solid intelligence and would have failed in their duty if they had not investigated.

What's important here is that nothing that Durham has said undermines the validity of what Mueller did or discovered. Many charges were laid, and people went to jail. Russian interference in the 2020 election was established. What was not established was proof that the Trump campaign team conspired with Russia to do this but Mueller was also very careful with his language to say that it was also not established that they didn't.

Mueller was very unhappy about the outcome and the suggestion that he found a lot of evidence that he was restrained from publishing hung over the conclusion of his work. Which is why all his files were transferred to New York out of the reach of White House. They still exist. Maybe their moment will come soon.

There was nothing political involved in this. It was solely investigating the efforts of a foreign country in a US election and the possibility that they were assisted in doing so. That's serious. The FBI cannot ignore such things.

Swallowing Trump bs is not good for your health.

Hunter Biden has never been a politician, let alone a President. He is a troubled guy who probably more needs help than anything else but if he deserves prosecution then let due process determine the facts, Equating an incident of possible treason with the froth surrounding Biden's laptop is nonsensical.

 

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The FBI knew the Steele report was commissioned by the Clinton campaign, that is a rose by another name as far as Democrats conspiring with FBI senior people.

Even CNN is having to criticise the FBI and report it's an exoneration for Trump.

Bigger picture is how this influenced voters in two general elections.

US politics are even more rotten than I had previously thought

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Durham did not find any evidence that the Democrats conspired with the FBI so some critics have seized on this as an excuse.

They are of course missing the point the FBI began an official and high profile investigation into a highly politically sensitive matter without any evidence to warrant it. That is the point.

Why they decided to do this is the ,000 question. What I find telling is the lack of complaints about the Durham report from either the FBI or the Democrats which suggests that his conclusions are largely correct.

Whilst you are quite right that Durham, after 4 years of digging, has found no evidence of any involvement by the Democrats or anyone else in the FBI's decision to investigate, you are not that they did so without evidence.

We won't have seen, and may never see, that evidence but it is clear, and quite well known, that they were receiving information from a variety of their own, and other intelligence agency, sources that the Russians were interfering in the 2020 election. Something that became more widely discussed when the Steele report became public. Some people seem to think they acted on the Steele report but I don't think that's true. All I think it did was confirm what they already knew and allow the public to become more aware of it.

Their investigation confirmed those reports. Prosecutions and convictions followed. This wasn't done for no reason. It was based on information which justified a detailed investigation into potential treason. The FBI could not have just ignored that.

Why no complaints from the Democrats or FBI? There isn't anything for them to complain about. The Democrats aren't involved. The FBI has acknowledged their errors in procedure and said they have improved things.

The only people trying to build this molehill into the Alps are Trump and those who have any kind of sympathy for him.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

The FBI knew the Steele report was commissioned by the Clinton campaign, that is a rose by another name as far as Democrats conspiring with FBI senior people.

Even CNN is having to criticise the FBI and report it's an exoneration for Trump.

Bigger picture is how this influenced voters in two general elections.

US politics are even more rotten than I had previously thought

The Steele report was originally commissioned by Republican "never-trumpers", but taken over by the DMC. The FBI were not involved at all. They, and other US agencies, have their own intelligence sources. In fact I think they were not best pleased when it was published as it was thought to compromise their own work.

Voters were, and continue to be influenced by Russian interference. They are actively spreading divisive misinformation all over social media intended to undermine our confidence in national institutions. They use and support influencers often without them even being aware of it.

 

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How very dare these Russians giving Western populations misinformation.
That's the job of western Government's

 


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The record player is broken, but the song never changes.

 


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The same thread, by a different title

 


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