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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 01 May 17 11.35am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

I was interested - but not surprised - to read in The Observer that on Saturday we had the second-highest share of the ball we've had in a Premiership game all season. The article also said that the four matches in which we've had most possession this season all resulted in defeats.

At least we won't have that problem next Saturday.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 May 17 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Possession, on its own, is an almost meaningless statistic and I don't know why so much is made of it. It's what you do with it once you have it that matters, measured more accurately by things like key passes, shots etc. Arsenal had 78% possession and Liverpool had something similar when we played them which didn't exactly work out well.

Edited by Cucking Funt (01 May 2017 12.47pm)

 


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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 May 17 12.36pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

All boils down to what we've been missing since we've been back in the premiership and none of our managers have addressed. A quality number 10 who can open up defences through the middle. Teams come to SP, stop our wingers and we have to rely on free kicks and corners to win games.

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 01 May 17 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

All boils down to what we've been missing since we've been back in the premiership and none of our managers have addressed. A quality number 10 who can open up defences through the middle. Teams come to SP, stop our wingers and we have to rely on free kicks and corners to win games.

This in a nutshell!

Developing a potent midfield has always been sidelined. When we have potentials to fill this role they are not encouraged (think Garvan, Bannan, Williams and now Lee) Little comes through the middle (hence the demise of Murray and Gayle) so the opposition only need to put 3 on to Zaha to make him go round in circles and fall over leaving our centre forward isolated with little amunition.
Our corners are not that much better. Puncheon is industrious but lacks ball control. With the advent of Sakho combining with Cabaye and Milosevic
things began to look better as they were features of our wins over Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.
Now without Sakho we revert back to hoof balls and 'get rid of it quick' tactics.
If we go down the reason will be the lack of a functioning midfield.

 

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cols123 Flag beckenham 01 May 17 1.02pm Send a Private Message to cols123 Add cols123 as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Possession, on its own, is an almost meaningless statistic and I don't know why so much is made of it. It's what you do with it once you have it that matters, measured more accurately by things like key passes, shots etc. Arsenal had 78% possession and Liverpool had something similar when we played them which didn't exactly work out well.

Edited by Cucking Funt (01 May 2017 12.47pm)

I think the point the OP was highlighting is that we don't know what to do with the ball when we have too much of it. We are infact pretty impotent unless we are counter attacking hence why we saw victories against chelsea, liverpool and arsenal with much less of the ball.

 

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cols123 Flag beckenham 01 May 17 1.04pm Send a Private Message to cols123 Add cols123 as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

This in a nutshell!

Developing a potent midfield has always been sidelined. When we have potentials to fill this role they are not encouraged (think Garvan, Bannan, Williams and now Lee) Little comes through the middle (hence the demise of Murray and Gayle) so the opposition only need to put 3 on to Zaha to make him go round in circles and fall over leaving our centre forward isolated with little amunition.
Our corners are not that much better. Puncheon is industrious but lacks ball control. With the advent of Sakho combining with Cabaye and Milosevic
things began to look better as they were features of our wins over Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.
Now without Sakho we revert back to hoof balls and 'get rid of it quick' tactics.
If we go down the reason will be the lack of a functioning midfield.

I think if you look at the names you've mentioned and where they have ended up post Palace (barring Lee ofcourse) then you have answer as to why it's sidelined.

Finding a top quality creative midfielder is a challenge, and so far we've quite rightly not felt comfortable throwing our lightweight alternatives into the mix.

 

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PALACE FOR EVER Flag London 01 May 17 1.42pm Send a Private Message to PALACE FOR EVER Add PALACE FOR EVER as a friend

One thing that is supposed to happen when you have a good percentage of possession is the opposition tire out earlier as you are passing to each other whilst the other team are chasing the ball.

This surely doesn't happen if you are passing to each in your third but if you pass more forward from the other teams half.

So it counts where you have the possession for tiring out the opposition.

 


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Uphill Flag Bedford 01 May 17 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by cols123

You are quite right. Effective holding mid-fielders are like gold dust and we have not had any for many years. I can't help feeling that if we had employed a continental manager this ongoing problem would have been addressed.

I think if you look at the names you've mentioned and where they have ended up post Palace (barring Lee ofcourse) then you have answer as to why it's sidelined.

Finding a top quality creative midfielder is a challenge, and so far we've quite rightly not felt comfortable throwing our lightweight alternatives into the mix.

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 01 May 17 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Apologies cols123 - my reply got interposed with your original.

 

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