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Hoof Hearted 18 Mar 16 11.26am

I was born in 1954.... the year all food rationing was ended after WWII.

My mum wasn't at home and worked a full day yet she still cooked us a meal every night using fresh meat and vegetables. We never had pizzas, burgers or KFC and drank water, not fizzy pop or cola.

As a kid I was hardly in the house during daylight hours.... only going indoors pretty much to eat, go to toilet, wash and sleep and do my homework.

The rest of the time when I wasn't at school I was out playing footy, on a bike, climbing trees, running races, playing french cricket etc etc with all the boys and girls in my neighbourhood. When I was at school we had plenty of games/PE lessons but also ran around the playground at lunch and breaktimes playing footy or tag games. We never stopped running all day.

As I got older I helped the milkman on Saturdays and Sundays doing a full day. Then joined athletic/sports clubs to play the usual sports and/or snooker, table tennis, badminton, judo etc.

I then went to work for L&G at Kingswood, which provided a whole host of activities from sport to amateur dramatics. Every night after work I would have plenty of options to exercise or broaden my mind by taking up chess for example.

Thank you for having the patience to read through my memoirs..... the point is....

Up and till I was fifty years old I kept myself fit and active and could eat/drink whatever I wanted because I burned off the calories.

Now I am ill with Parkinson's I cannot exercise very much at all and have to watch what I eat and drink to limit any fat build up which is not nice but essential. I try to have my 5 a day. I don't drink alcohol any more and I have never smoked. Without the good foundation I gave my body I doubt that I would have long to live.

Kids today, or so it seems to me, don't exercise as much as I did in my early years or get involved in any other activities or do paper rounds or milk rounds?

If I see a kid in the street these days, he will be walking along looking at his phone, with his ear plugs in carrying a tin/bottle of coke. Ironically he will be wearing a track suit/trainers and football shirt.

Judging from my walking around this area with the dog on recycling day - most households have pizza boxes, coke tins, beer cans, wine bottles, cornetto boxes etc etc in their bins. None of them suggest the occupants have a healthy eating or drinking regime?

My conclusion is:-

Kids aren't getting enough exercise these day
Kids are eating/drinking stuff not good for them
Kids are mostly fat/obese
When kids get to age 50 they will be dead or a big strain on the NHS.

I'm generalising obviously, because some parents are responsible but the general trend is to be lazy and go for fast food rather than wholesome food options and allowing kids to be lazy.

Sugar Tax?

Just another way of generating government revenue but not much else - education on keeping fit/active and eating right/healthy would be a better solution.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 18 Mar 16 11.34am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

In addition, being of a similar background, weekends were spent with your parents, when you went 'out for a walk, pic-nic'd in the park and played games with family and friends or to the seaside to play beach games, walk the length of the prom and swim in the sea.

We never, ever, spent a weekend going 'round the shops' being stuffed full of cake and buns, crisps or sausage rolls to keep us quiet.

Edited by becky (18 Mar 2016 11.35am)

 


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Hoof Hearted 18 Mar 16 11.44am

Originally posted by becky

In addition, being of a similar background, weekends were spent with your parents, when you went 'out for a walk, pic-nic'd in the park and played games with family and friends or to the seaside to play beach games, walk the length of the prom and swim in the sea.

We never, ever, spent a weekend going 'round the shops' being stuffed full of cake and buns, crisps or sausage rolls to keep us quiet.

Edited by becky (18 Mar 2016 11.35am)

My parents didn't have a car either.

So a trip to Palace meant the 157 bus and a walk.

If we went to the shops in Sutton, we had to get the train.

We only went on holiday once - Butlitz at Boggers... all 7 of us on the train with a few suitcases.

 

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johnfirewall Flag 18 Mar 16 11.48am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

It's a start but I can't see promoting the consumption of drinks containing artificial sweeteners is going to help. There's evidence that they even affect our ability to deal with sugar.

Ultimately we need to work out why we're so fcuking fat. I support cancer charities but would welcome more money being thrown at this. Blaming Playstations and p€dos is probably wide of the mark as both existed in my youth and statistically it appears they're a lot fatter these days.

I think genetics is overstated in the case of fat families. We shouldn't excuse inactivity and blatant disregard watching what you eat. As already mentioned there are a lot of excuses made to justify fast food consumption but on the other hand you're 'demonising the poor' if you suggest education is required. It was good enough for Jamie Oliver.

Whatever your views on food vouchers for benefits recipients, we should definitely give fat people salad tokens. Without going even further Daily Mail I also think there's an issue with letting fat kids out of PE and giving fat adults disability benefits and a free car (these are real things).

Edited by johnfirewall (18 Mar 2016 12.01pm)

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Mar 16 11.50am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I'm generalising obviously, because some parents are responsible but the general trend is to be lazy and go for fast food rather than wholesome food options and allowing kids to be lazy.

The two excuses most frequently trotted out are firstly that "good food" is too expensive and secondly that modern day people with their busy lifestyles don't have the time to spend cooking.

I'm an oldie like you Mr Hoof (older in fact) and I would never think of having a roast chicken without boiling the carcass afterwards to make stock which then forms the basis of another meal.

Most people who talk about their busy lifestyles seem to spend most of their evenings watching TV and the ironical thing is that they watch cookery programs like Masterchef and that cake baking competition.

 

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Hoof Hearted 18 Mar 16 11.55am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The two excuses most frequently trotted out are firstly that "good food" is too expensive and secondly that modern day people with their busy lifestyles don't have the time to spend cooking.

I'm an oldie like you Mr Hoof (older in fact) and I would never think of having a roast chicken without boiling the carcass afterwards to make stock which then forms the basis of another meal.

Most people who talk about their busy lifestyles seem to spend most of their evenings watching TV and the ironical thing is that they watch cookery programs like Masterchef and that cake baking competition.

The irony totally lost on them too!

 

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becky Flag over the moon 18 Mar 16 11.58am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

It's a start but I can't see promoting the consumption of drinks containing artificial sweeteners is going to help. There's evidence that they even affect our ability to deal with sugar.

Ultimately we need to work out why we're so fcuking fat. I support cancer charities but would welcome more money being thrown at this. Blaming Playstations and p€dos is probably wide of the mark as both existed in my youth and statistically it appears they're a lot fatter these days.

I think genetics is overstated in the case of fat families. We shouldn't excuse inactivity and blatant disregard watching what you eat.

Edited by johnfirewall (18 Mar 2016 11.53am)

I have long suspected that it may have something to do with the growth hormones that they feed to chickens.

Seriously, a friend who rescues battery hens once showed a photo of a ten week old chick that was the size and development of a 6 month old hen - i.e. it had been 'overgrown' to bring it to laying eggs sooner. Poor thing still tweeted like a small chick.

They do exactly the same to mass produce cheap chicken for the table.....which we then eat, along with the hormones that it has consumed.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 18 Mar 16 12.14pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Bring back conscription.

 


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Green Giant Flag I'm Mr Meseeks. Look at me. 18 Mar 16 12.16pm

I used to enjoy every spare second as a kid over the park playing football. Parents have been so frightened to death about paedophiles by the media that they'd rather shove an iPad in their mitts and turn them into the fat walking dead.
Easier to keep tabs on them is the reasoning I suppose.

 


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wollongongeagle Flag wollongong 18 Mar 16 12.34pm Send a Private Message to wollongongeagle Add wollongongeagle as a friend

Great post, HH. Sorry to hear about Parky.

I'm 1959 vintage - much the same childhood, teenage and early adult experiences, including weekend milk-round and then after-work sporting and other activities working (at Shell Centre at Waterloo).

These comments, from you and Becky, rang very true.

"We never had pizzas, burgers or KFC and drank water, not fizzy pop or cola."

"We never, ever, spent a weekend going 'round the shops' being stuffed full of cake and buns, crisps or sausage rolls to keep us quiet."

Welcome to the Machine! I can't elaborate right now (due to the effects of another of the dumbing down products so feely available to us - for a small price).

 


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wollongongeagle Flag wollongong 18 Mar 16 12.43pm Send a Private Message to wollongongeagle Add wollongongeagle as a friend

Furthermore - although the sugary drinks tax is not a bad thing in itself, I can't help but feel that it is another of those sops to the masses, doled out every now and again when rearguard action needs to be taken.

With Jamie Oliver taking the White Knight role - is it pucka?

 


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johnfirewall Flag 18 Mar 16 12.46pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by wollongongeagle

Great post, HH. Sorry to hear about Parky.

I'm 1959 vintage - much the same childhood, teenage and early adult experiences, including weekend milk-round and then after-work sporting and other activities working (at Shell Centre at Waterloo).

These comments, from you and Becky, rang very true.

"We never had pizzas, burgers or KFC and drank water, not fizzy pop or cola."

"We never, ever, spent a weekend going 'round the shops' being stuffed full of cake and buns, crisps or sausage rolls to keep us quiet."

Welcome to the Machine! I can't elaborate right now (due to the effects of another of the dumbing down products so feely available to us - for a small price).

I'm non-vintage but concur with both of you in that I have seen the decline in physical activity and culinary consideration from your era to now via mine.

It's not that people don't know how to eat properly, there are millions of health freaks these days but also far too many who don't care what they eat as long as it tastes good and to tell them it's OK if it's sugar free is just reckless and gives the illusion that's they're actually doing something about their diet.

Edited by johnfirewall (18 Mar 2016 12.48pm)

 

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