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View Dan89's Profile Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 10.08am Send a Private Message to Dan89 Add Dan89 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Don't start talking to yourself. Not in public anyway. You might get sectioned.

Thanks for your concern. It looks like big Sam blew most of the budget in January.

 


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View Christian Salako's Profile Christian Salako Flag Battle east sussex 21 Jun 17 10.09am Send a Private Message to Christian Salako Add Christian Salako as a friend

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.

 


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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 21 Jun 17 10.30am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

 

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View Dan89's Profile Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 10.34am Send a Private Message to Dan89 Add Dan89 as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

Sean dyche was away on holiday. Last week

 


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View Petereagle's Profile Petereagle Flag Brockley 21 Jun 17 10.36am Send a Private Message to Petereagle Add Petereagle as a friend

Originally posted by Christian Salako

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.

Very good post, many thanks. Its still (to me) a bit of a mystery as to why its taken so long. Maybe there are some embargos we dont know about in terms of releasing information? I would be happy with any of the three you mention. Dyche is tried and tested in the PL and is a good man and budget manager. FdB obviously has managerial talent, and a good record of achievements at Ajax. Would need to adapt his coaching style to the Palace DNA so to speak. Same true of Pellegrino. No idea which of the three would be the best for Palace. Lets wait and see who is announced!

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 21 Jun 17 10.37am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Christian Salako

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).


This isn't executive recruitment and the problem is that we're treating it as if it is. Like it or not, with respect to managers of any sort of quality, we're the beggars and they're the choosers. If we don't identify a target, make sure both parties are on the same page, and offer the job we risk the Sherwood situation where we get told to stick it.

Surely succession planning is about not being "surprised". We should have had an ongoing list of potential replacements, properly researched, so that we could identify the best target and go that. With our record of managers upping and leaving unexpectedly, together with Sam having a six-month break clause, we should have been better prepared.

The tired cliché that any opposition to Dyche is because he isn't "foreign" has long-since been debunked. Those who don't want Dyche are so minded because they don't think he's good enough and that he won't bring anything new to the party.

 


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View MattLeyland28's Profile MattLeyland28 Flag Bourne 21 Jun 17 10.38am Send a Private Message to MattLeyland28 Add MattLeyland28 as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

Like you say we would surely have to contact Burnley about Dyche! Makes me think if he was who we wanted then they would have told us to get it done pronto so they could replace him! Given the timescale we must be looking elsewhere?

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 21 Jun 17 10.41am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

But in this day and age and the amount of money involved would think they would need to know.If he leaves them for us think they will be in big trouble next season.Maybe like me he leaves his phone off for two weeks,But don't think so &#128527;

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 21 Jun 17 10.44am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Christian Salako

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.


yes I agree excellent and very informative post, clearly the fit for us has to also fit the ambitions of the incoming Manager as well, so I would guess team investment has to be an important part of any agreement. This may also be the reason it is taking so long if the speculation we hear day to day is true. I would hope that one of the names mentioned is in place by the weekend at the latest so that we can get on with preparing for the pre season tour and then the critical games against Huddersfield as this is a game that we must win!

 

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Originally posted by Dan89

Sean dyche was away on holiday. Last week

You can't have this both ways. We're told that, with the variety of modern methods of communication, it doesn't matter if Parish is on holiday 24/7, as it's not an impediment to getting business done. But on the other hand, Dyche is incommunicado because he's having a paddle and building a few sandcastles with a knotted hankie on his head. Both can't be correct can they?

 


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I was also wondering why Dyche hasn't come out and made a statement saying that he is not interested in the Palace job.
Considering he is one of the favourites for the job, and I don't buy the holiday excuse these technology days.

 

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Originally posted by Petereagle

Well, we had some great defensive additions in the January trqnsfer window: Millivosevic as defensive midfielder and two good leftsided defenders in Schlupp and Van aanholt. Howver we do need considerable strengthening in the CB area with the situationovef buying or replacing Sakho. On the positive side, Dann should be well recovered by the start of the season. And we do need RB cover for Ward. But defensively we are already a lot less frail than this time last year.

yes I accept your points, however, I would hope that the investment in the forward line is replicated in the back line as well as we do need to stop leaking unnecessary goals at the back and I include the GK who sometimes makes some real howlers. The next season record against the teams around us is going to determine our season, since January (2017) our records against teams around us was not perfect by any reasons P12 W5 D1 L6 pts 16/36 hope fully that will be sorted for next term.

 

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