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Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Jan 2016 1.04pm

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Quote Frickin Saweet at 06 Jan 2016 9.34am

I don't much care about what is/isn't the truth about his upbringing, attitude and where he puts his money.

What is true is that he hasn't been that bothered about playing football for the last few years so why would he suddenly find his appetite again with us? He's more interested in pursuits outside of playing football, which is fair enough, his decision, but we need someone hungry and willing to fight. All the ability in the world is nothing if you have no desire to use it.


100% agree - I think he would be a massive mistake

This is not really accurate. Adebayor has scored goals wherever he has played, and he's played at some pretty impressive clubs. His last stint as a player ended eighteen months ago when he was Spurs' leading scorer and delivered big time for Tim Sherwood who had reinstated him in the Spurs side. If there is a knock on Adebayor, it's that he has always started fast at new clubs, then lost interest once he's secured a long-term contract. In other words, he's motivated by money. But that won't be a problem on a short-term deal at Palace.

What we have to do is weigh the major negative (character, personal motivation) against the positive, which has been described thusly:

This is a player with a full breathtaking range of centre-forward skills at his disposal, who can score any kind of goal against any team. Cast as a target man, he can also play No10 with a rare ability to link and protect the ball, plus that wonderfully frictionless way of moving, slightly menacing on those skinny little fine-point ankles below all that massed and coiled power, scuttling along like a very graceful, frightening robot spider. What an athlete, too! Adebayor’s leap is the stuff of dressing-room legend, an ability to spring honed during his childhood when he would tie a ball to the ceiling and spend hours leaping up to head it. Rumour has it he was even timed quicker than Theo Walcott over the full 100m during his time at Arsenal.

My view is that it's a risk worth taking for the following reasons:

1. If fit, Adebayor is better than any other forward we can sign. Easily.
2. On a four month deal, the risk of his being a disruptive influence is almost zero.
3. We have a strong dressing room that mitigates the risk of Adebayor playing up.
4. If we sign him on a four month deal, rather than panic-spend, we are enabled to buy sensibly and in a more measured way in the summer.
5. He has something to prove and this is his last chance to prove it. That may be motivation enough.
6. If he can pass an interview with Parish and Pardew, two people I trust completely, and they believe he is suitable for Palace then that's good enough for me.
7. Some players settle when they finally find the right club for them. Big clubs haven't suited Adebayor. Maybe being loved at Selhurst and being the centre of attention will enable him to find his niche.

It IS a risk but in my view a risk well worth taking.

Edited by sydtheeagle (06 Jan 2016 1.04pm)


Too many ifs, buts and maybes.

We need a striker but we're not desperate. Not for an expensive 31-year-old who has mentally checked out of the game.

 

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Quote Frickin Saweet at 07 Jan 2016 8.32am

Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Jan 2016 1.04pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Jan 2016 9.47am

Quote Frickin Saweet at 06 Jan 2016 9.34am

I don't much care about what is/isn't the truth about his upbringing, attitude and where he puts his money.

What is true is that he hasn't been that bothered about playing football for the last few years so why would he suddenly find his appetite again with us? He's more interested in pursuits outside of playing football, which is fair enough, his decision, but we need someone hungry and willing to fight. All the ability in the world is nothing if you have no desire to use it.


100% agree - I think he would be a massive mistake

This is not really accurate. Adebayor has scored goals wherever he has played, and he's played at some pretty impressive clubs. His last stint as a player ended eighteen months ago when he was Spurs' leading scorer and delivered big time for Tim Sherwood who had reinstated him in the Spurs side. If there is a knock on Adebayor, it's that he has always started fast at new clubs, then lost interest once he's secured a long-term contract. In other words, he's motivated by money. But that won't be a problem on a short-term deal at Palace.

What we have to do is weigh the major negative (character, personal motivation) against the positive, which has been described thusly:

This is a player with a full breathtaking range of centre-forward skills at his disposal, who can score any kind of goal against any team. Cast as a target man, he can also play No10 with a rare ability to link and protect the ball, plus that wonderfully frictionless way of moving, slightly menacing on those skinny little fine-point ankles below all that massed and coiled power, scuttling along like a very graceful, frightening robot spider. What an athlete, too! Adebayor’s leap is the stuff of dressing-room legend, an ability to spring honed during his childhood when he would tie a ball to the ceiling and spend hours leaping up to head it. Rumour has it he was even timed quicker than Theo Walcott over the full 100m during his time at Arsenal.

My view is that it's a risk worth taking for the following reasons:

1. If fit, Adebayor is better than any other forward we can sign. Easily.
2. On a four month deal, the risk of his being a disruptive influence is almost zero.
3. We have a strong dressing room that mitigates the risk of Adebayor playing up.
4. If we sign him on a four month deal, rather than panic-spend, we are enabled to buy sensibly and in a more measured way in the summer.
5. He has something to prove and this is his last chance to prove it. That may be motivation enough.
6. If he can pass an interview with Parish and Pardew, two people I trust completely, and they believe he is suitable for Palace then that's good enough for me.
7. Some players settle when they finally find the right club for them. Big clubs haven't suited Adebayor. Maybe being loved at Selhurst and being the centre of attention will enable him to find his niche.

It IS a risk but in my view a risk well worth taking.

Edited by sydtheeagle (06 Jan 2016 1.04pm)


Too many ifs, buts and maybes.

We need a striker but we're not desperate. Not for an expensive 31-year-old who has mentally checked out of the game.

If the guardian article is correct then it'll only be expensive if he produces the goods.

 


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This one has legs

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I’m all for it. He’s a top striker. This is a guy who’s played for the likes of Arsenal and Madrid, teams that a lot of our players aspire to be at, him coming in would only inspire the likes of Zaha and Bolasie whilst also passing over knowledge of the role to Wickham etc.

If the reports are correct, he will only get paid large amounts if he’s a success – so why not take the risk, if anyone can bring out the best in him it’s the man management skills of Pardew.

Also, if all he wanted was another big pay day why is he considering a 6 month contract from us, he'd be better of staying a free agent and picking up the 5 million from Spurs.

 

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If he came to us, how long do you think it would take for him to get match fit, bearing in mind that he hasn't played a competitive game for a long time and has not done any first-team training for a long time. Did he even have a pre-season? That puts him way off the pace.

This is another concern of mine. It's going to be near the end of the season before we could expect him to be anywhere near top form. Assuming it's going to take 4-6 weeks at best to get him fit enough for the first team and then a run of matches to get sharpness and mojo back, that's April already.

 

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Quote A89M at 07 Jan 2016 10.24am

I’m all for it. He’s a top striker. This is a guy who’s played for the likes of Arsenal and Madrid, teams that a lot of our players aspire to be at, him coming in would only inspire the likes of Zaha and Bolasie whilst also passing over knowledge of the role to Wickham etc.

If the reports are correct, he will only get paid large amounts if he’s a success – so why not take the risk, if anyone can bring out the best in him it’s the man management skills of Pardew.

Also, if all he wanted was another big pay day why is he considering a 6 month contract from us, he'd be better of staying a free agent and picking up the 5 million from Spurs.

I understand he has already settled with Spurs.

If it is just about the money, he will go with Watford as they have offered more. We'll have to see.

 

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Quote Frickin Saweet at 07 Jan 2016 10.35am

If he came to us, how long do you think it would take for him to get match fit, bearing in mind that he hasn't played a competitive game for a long time and has not done any first-team training for a long time. Did he even have a pre-season? That puts him way off the pace.

This is another concern of mine. It's going to be near the end of the season before we could expect him to be anywhere near top form. Assuming it's going to take 4-6 weeks at best to get him fit enough for the first team and then a run of matches to get sharpness and mojo back, that's April already.


Did you not read the link from dangerclose? Seems he's keeping himself fit, and as someone else said, he's been playing some games, just not very competitive ones. I don't think it'll take as long as you think. Here's hoping anyway!

 

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Quote Dougiecito at 07 Jan 2016 10.55am

Quote Frickin Saweet at 07 Jan 2016 10.35am

If he came to us, how long do you think it would take for him to get match fit, bearing in mind that he hasn't played a competitive game for a long time and has not done any first-team training for a long time. Did he even have a pre-season? That puts him way off the pace.

This is another concern of mine. It's going to be near the end of the season before we could expect him to be anywhere near top form. Assuming it's going to take 4-6 weeks at best to get him fit enough for the first team and then a run of matches to get sharpness and mojo back, that's April already.


Did you not read the link from dangerclose? Seems he's keeping himself fit, and as someone else said, he's been playing some games, just not very competitive ones. I don't think it'll take as long as you think. Here's hoping anyway!

I read that link. I don't believe that anyone is really naive enough to think that 'keeping himself fit' training one-on-one with a personal trainer and the odd charity football match is anything close to training with a PL first team squad and competitive football at the highest level. That just means he's not starting from 0, but he has a bloody long way to go to get to 100%. Look how long it's taken CW to even start looking Premier League class? And that's with training at PL level. And Adebayor is even further behind him.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a fit and in form Adebayor scoring goals for Palace, on his day he was unplayable, but I don't think he's going to do that based on everything that's been said.

 

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Quote Frickin Saweet at 07 Jan 2016 11.05am

Quote Dougiecito at 07 Jan 2016 10.55am

Quote Frickin Saweet at 07 Jan 2016 10.35am

If he came to us, how long do you think it would take for him to get match fit, bearing in mind that he hasn't played a competitive game for a long time and has not done any first-team training for a long time. Did he even have a pre-season? That puts him way off the pace.

This is another concern of mine. It's going to be near the end of the season before we could expect him to be anywhere near top form. Assuming it's going to take 4-6 weeks at best to get him fit enough for the first team and then a run of matches to get sharpness and mojo back, that's April already.


Did you not read the link from dangerclose? Seems he's keeping himself fit, and as someone else said, he's been playing some games, just not very competitive ones. I don't think it'll take as long as you think. Here's hoping anyway!

I read that link. I don't believe that anyone is really naive enough to think that 'keeping himself fit' training one-on-one with a personal trainer and the odd charity football match is anything close to training with a PL first team squad and competitive football at the highest level. That just means he's not starting from 0, but he has a bloody long way to go to get to 100%. Look how long it's taken CW to even start looking Premier League class? And that's with training at PL level. And Adebayor is even further behind him.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a fit and in form Adebayor scoring goals for Palace, on his day he was unplayable, but I don't think he's going to do that based on everything that's been said.


I guess we can only wait and see, Saweet. With some of the duds we've had with short term deals and loans, were due a bit of luck up front! There was also a lot of hope in my last post!

 

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It all has a Brolin feel about it.

 


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Fitness isn't subject to universal rules. Some people are naturally fit, others aren't. Some have low body fat, others don't. On top of which, there is fitness and match fitness (sharpness) which are two different things.

From what I can discern, Adebayor is naturally fit. He has low body fat, is dextrous, and in general terms has probably been able to remain in good shape. That doesn't make him "match fit", but it gives him a platform to reach match fitness much more quickly than a person who was less naturally fit would. To give an example, I suspect if Charlie Adam was out of football for a year, it would take him a very long time to get back in shape if he ever could.

Assuming he has been training with a personal trainer and given his natural fitness, I don't see why it should take more than a couple of weeks and a couple of reserve games to get him to the point where he was capable of contributing, and maybe three weeks to the point where he could play 90 minutes. Remember, pre-season is only a month long and Adebayor isn't coming back from holiday.

 


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Quote silvertop at 07 Jan 2016 10.50am

Quote A89M at 07 Jan 2016 10.24am

I’m all for it. He’s a top striker. This is a guy who’s played for the likes of Arsenal and Madrid, teams that a lot of our players aspire to be at, him coming in would only inspire the likes of Zaha and Bolasie whilst also passing over knowledge of the role to Wickham etc.

If the reports are correct, he will only get paid large amounts if he’s a success – so why not take the risk, if anyone can bring out the best in him it’s the man management skills of Pardew.

Also, if all he wanted was another big pay day why is he considering a 6 month contract from us, he'd be better of staying a free agent and picking up the 5 million from Spurs.

I understand he has already settled with Spurs.

If it is just about the money, he will go with Watford as they have offered more. We'll have to see.

According to the reports i've read, shown also by the link from dangerclose; The settlement is he can earn 5.25 mil up until June this year unless he signs a contract with another club, if he does, the payments from spurs then cease. A similar situation happened with Di Matteo when he left Chelsea, where he decided not to take any job offers and run out the remainder of his contract payments with Chelsea.

The way I see it, Adebayor stands to lose out on a lot of money if he signs with us (reports suggest we've offered more of an incentives contract) He could do exactly the same as Di Matteo but he wants to get back into football.

 

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