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W12 04 Mar 22 3.06pm

So lets sum up:

PCR tests = bollocks
Cases = irrelevant
Excess deaths = no
Natural immunity = ignored
Early treatment = ignored
Asymptomatic transmission = bollocks
Lockdowns = don't work
Masks = don't work

We spent £100's of billions on the above (at least £400b) and have nothing to show for it. Ask yourself how it could possibly cost £37b for "track and trace"? That's £37,000,000,000

And only now everyone around us is getting sick or dying and if you deny that you are either a hermit or you are lying to yourself.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Mar 22 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Nope, don't care about your "lived experience". You made a claim you cannot back up with evidence and I'm calling you out.

Nor I for your 'Virtual experience'.

Then again why would you, why would anyone believe anything anyone has to say unless it fuels the fire to ignite delusional thoughts and opinions within themselves that can fill the void of anything of substance in their experience of reality?

I don't know you, nor do you know me, however I will say this: I genuinely wish you all the best. In the main, I do come on here mostly to disrupt the monotony during the working day but also to converse and share the tumultuous experience with kindred spirits who too have seen the light, or rather dim glow in following the Palace.

I do think those who scrutinise those in power and the messages/media etc we are fed serve a very pivotal and necessary role within society. You do come across however as being of the stereotyped ilk of basement dwelling, angry, tin hat conspirators. Not saying that to be cruel or even suggesting it's correct however it does come across, to me anyways, in that way. I'd also suggest if I come across as a worshipper of MSM and figures in power you'd be sorely mistaken.

I do get somewhat embroiled in the drama of it all however and perhaps make the odd joke or remark that comes across as aggressive, a fault which I will unreservedly admit to having. I'm leaving my opening statement in as an example but upon reflection apologise if I have offended at any point.

I will end by saying that I do think it unhealthy to become too consumed with what will remain as 'conspiracy theories' and would be inclined to suggest they are extremely detrimental to people's mental health/wellbeing and at best a waste of time. I would also speculate that there are many out there, especially on social media, who are attuned to this and willing to exploit it for financial gain. Not stating definitively that is the case here, with you, or anyone else but in any circumstance sincerely hope not. i do disagree with your stance however I will resist from any further provocation or 'joke' and once again wish you all the best. I genuinely do have 5h!t I need to do today! COYP

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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W12 04 Mar 22 3.59pm

"https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/coronavirus/shane-warne-reveals-he-used-ventilator-during-bout-of-covid-as-australia-reaches-major-vaccination-milestone-ng-b882016611z"

"The 52-year-old, who was double vaccinated prior to getting sick"

Now dead of a heart attack - RIP

And for those claiming it's immoral to use his death to make a point - they are injecting this s*** into kids

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 04 Mar 22 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Yes, I have an agenda which is to stop these dangerous experimental gene therapies being injected into children by ignorant adults. Adults themselves should know better.

I'm not sure what the point of your post is other than repeating what I already posted.

Take the latest 7 day stats from the UK

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4,322,449 people tested in 7 days

243,057 positive tests in 7 days

Even if you believe this tests are relevant (which I clearly proved are not - and you totally ignored that) the false positives would account for the majority of these but even after two years they will not take their own data on false positives into account.

Then look at the deaths, 720 in 7 days "within 28 days of positive test". Some 11,000 people die in an average week but we test everyone that goes into hospital yet the government still cannot separate out people who obviously died of something else? After 2 years of this? It's been done in other countries and it comes in at single figures percentages which would make this "pandemic" statistically irrelevant.

Unfortunately data and evidence have no bearing on this. It's all about emotions and people thinking their world view is under attack. 2 years of propaganda and behavioural psychology have had a devastating effect.

You are some form of zealot so it's pointless debating with you.

99.99% of Doctors in the world agree with the vaccinations but you know better.

We always knew there was a 'with COVID' and 'of COVID' differential, we just could not quantify it and 'with' can be the final straw for some who are unwell.

You have clearly proved nothing except you can't understand the points made by the ONS, which does indeed factor in false positives. The ONS believes that the positives are under-reported, not over-reported.

I recommend you discuss your views with intensive care nursing and medical professionals and see whether they are convinced.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Mar 22 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

So lets sum up:

PCR tests = bollocks
Cases = irrelevant
Excess deaths = no
Natural immunity = ignored
Early treatment = ignored
Asymptomatic transmission = bollocks
Lockdowns = don't work
Masks = don't work

We spent £100's of billions on the above (at least £400b) and have nothing to show for it. Ask yourself how it could possibly cost £37b for "track and trace"? That's £37,000,000,000

And only now everyone around us is getting sick or dying and if you deny that you are either a hermit or you are lying to yourself.

I'd agree with most of those complaints.

Not on no excess deaths though, while it drifts out over the five year average if you look at the average from the time it covid actually started the significant excess is there.

I had covid myself....I'd rate it as a bad flu, no doubt some had it worst and some had it easier.

I can imagine that a bad flu which the body's immune system has zero previous knowledge of would knock out those on their last legs (or at least contribute to it) and of course that unfortunate percentage of people whose immune system are vulnerable to specific viral attacks.

That said, I agree with you on the masks, transmission, lockdowns, natural immunity and cases....the tests I'm in the middle.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2022 4.11pm)

 


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W12 04 Mar 22 5.00pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You are some form of zealot so it's pointless debating with you.

Ad hominem - discarded

99.99% of Doctors in the world agree with the vaccinations but you know better.

Nope, there are huge groups of doctors, scientists, virologists, immunologist, whistleblowers and fortunately now lawyers that certainly do not agree. The Hart Group, World Doctors Alliance, Doctors for Covid ethics, Americas Frontline doctors etc are just a few

We always knew there was a 'with COVID' and 'of COVID' differential, we just could not quantify it and 'with' can be the final straw for some who are unwell.

Nope, this only appeared mid way through 2020 - sneaked in the media and nobody in the media commented on why it might be important

You have clearly proved nothing except you can't understand the points made by the ONS, which does indeed factor in false positives. The ONS believes that the positives are under-reported, not over-reported.

Nope, they are stating a significant amount of false positives but we haven't even begun to discuss the PCR cycle thresholds being used which would have totally invalidated these tests anyway and rendered them meaningless even if you considered them a valid diagnostic.

I recommend you discuss your views with intensive care nursing and medical professionals and see whether they are convinced.

No thanks, I've literally lost all trust in the medical profession as it exists today. I know there are good people working in hospitals but there are certainly a lot of doctors and medical professionals that have just been doing what they are told and questioning nothing. Informed consent is a good example. Most doctors didn't know what they were injecting, what the dangers were and didn't even know the existence of the Yellow Card, adverse reaction reporting system

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 5.10pm

On the subject of PCR cycle threshold, freedom of information requests to NHS trusts revealed they were using 40+

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Understand PCR testing:

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 04 Mar 22 7.20pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by W12

If it does not stop you getting a desease or passing it on it is not a vaccine. It does not provide immunity. It actually replaces your natural immune response with one that is genetically engineered.


Incorrect.

No vaccine is 100% if we go by what you are stating which is your opinion then no vaccines exist for anything.

 


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W12 04 Mar 22 7.20pm

He was right, enough is enough:

Edited by W12 (04 Mar 2022 7.32pm)

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 7.32pm

Originally posted by grumpymort


Incorrect.

No vaccine is 100% if we go by what you are stating which is your opinion then no vaccines exist for anything.

But no vaccine is 0% right?

 

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W12 04 Mar 22 7.39pm

For the “it’s not a gene pherapy” club

(Head of pharmaceuticals division at Bayer)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 04 Mar 22 11.50pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Had I made an ad hominem attack on you I would have simply said you are a swivel eyed loon. Calling you a zealot is a statement of fact.

There are 9.2m doctors in the world. Please enumerate those that disagree with vaccination.

As I ran Care Homes, we discussed ‘with’ vs ‘of’ from the outset, as did all medical professionals.

We also discussed viral load, the underlying question in respect of PCR cycling

For those who are unaware:

In most commonly used COVID PCR tests, a positive result is given if a fluorescent signal develops after a number of ‘amplification’ cycles. The cycle threshold (Ct) is the number of amplification cycles required for the fluorescent signal to become strong enough to confirm a positive result. Because of the way PCR works, the more virus in a sample to start with, the fewer cycles are needed for a signal to be detected – the lower the Ct value.

A low Ct value is associated with a high viral load. This means the amount of virus in a given sample was high, and therefore the infected person is more likely to go on to infect others.

 

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