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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 02 Oct 22 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Was you? I was in block A , never saw or heard a Chelsea fan all game ?

Yeah. My seasons over the other side - block J. Friends and family I reckon but f***ing annoying, especially at the end when they were all cocky.

 

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viveasheagle Flag perth 03 Oct 22 4.42am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

My observations from the game was the Silva yellow card was correct as Ayew was heading towards the edge of the 18 yard box and they had covering defenders in the middle.
Olise playing more central was interesting. I thought attacking wise he was great and as others have said he should have got more Chelsea players booked as they were forced to foul him to stop him getting away. Defensively he still has a lot of work to do but he can improve on this the more he plays. I would play him against Leeds in same position.
For the winner what was Mateta doing ? He dived in and went sliding past Gallagher which was what gave him the room to get his shot away.
Tomkins looked rusty but improved as the game went on.

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 03 Oct 22 8.10am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

At the game yesterday and thought it was a red card then.
Just watched the game on TV this morning .
I can only think it was not given as a red card is because the ref and VAR new of Ayew goal scoring record

should have NOTHING to do with it....so are you saying if it had been Wilf instead of Ayew involved Silva would have been sent off? It was an intentional decision by the corrupt referee !

Edited by the silurian (03 Oct 2022 8.11am)

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 03 Oct 22 8.42am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend


Even Potter has gone on record now saying Silva was lucky. Everything went their way on Saturday. I still think one of the weirdest decisions was the so-called back pass off of Ward's shin. Referees never give those nowadays and it wasn't a pass, it hit his shin! In the Man City game (I think it was?) a defender did what was a far clearer "back pass", did we get anything? No, of course not.

I think referees should have to have a testicle examination to qualify for the PL, as clearly many of them don't have the balls to give decisions against the big teams.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Oct 22 8.58am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild


Even Potter has gone on record now saying Silva was lucky. Everything went their way on Saturday. I still think one of the weirdest decisions was the so-called back pass off of Ward's shin. Referees never give those nowadays and it wasn't a pass, it hit his shin! In the Man City game (I think it was?) a defender did what was a far clearer "back pass", did we get anything? No, of course not.

I think referees should have to have a testicle examination to qualify for the PL, as clearly many of them don't have the balls to give decisions against the big teams.

Thoroughly agree.

I don't really buy into the 'bribes, corruptions etc.' malarkey however I can see some internal pressure being applied and perhaps a lack of metal on behalf of referees which influence supposed impartiality.

Ward's back pass, Silva staying on the pitch etc are obviously huge decisions but just about everything went their way for those at the match. I recall at one point Wilf (I think) early second half knocking the ball down the side of the penalty area but still quite centrally, behind the back line (for a good position) and being bundled over. Not given of course, whereas every slight coming together seemed to amount to a Chelsea FK. In a game as tight as that against opponents with far more financial might these small things are critical and can't help but leave you questioning. It's not an old trope in my book it's a very logical destination to arrive at.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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southnorwoodhill Flag 03 Oct 22 9.13am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Thoroughly agree.

I don't really buy into the 'bribes, corruptions etc.' malarkey however I can see some internal pressure being applied and perhaps a lack of metal on behalf of referees which influence supposed impartiality.

Ward's back pass, Silva staying on the pitch etc are obviously huge decisions but just about everything went their way for those at the match. I recall at one point Wilf (I think) early second half knocking the ball down the side of the penalty area but still quite centrally, behind the back line (for a good position) and being bundled over. Not given of course, whereas every slight coming together seemed to amount to a Chelsea FK. In a game as tight as that against opponents with far more financial might these small things are critical and can't help but leave you questioning. It's not an old trope in my book it's a very logical destination to arrive at.

As I mentioned earlier, it's the subconscious element that kicks in - knowing how the gravy train rolls along smoothly and being a part of it. Another example is a business meal entertaining the client, common place activity in business circles, no one seeks to question it, or call it bribery or corrupt - it is in plain view and a free meal is to be had. All aboard the gravy train!

 

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Dubai Eagle Flag 03 Oct 22 9.20am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Possibly also the Referee & family getting lambasted on all of the various types of social media - they probably get more crap thrown at them ( from fans in all corners of the world) if they give decisions against big teams

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

As I mentioned earlier, it's the subconscious element that kicks in - knowing how the gravy train rolls along smoothly and being a part of it. Another example is a business meal entertaining the client, common place activity in business circles, no one seeks to question it, or call it bribery or corrupt - it is in plain view and a free meal is to be had. All aboard the gravy train!

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 03 Oct 22 9.26am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

As fans we are heavily prone to bias, so I would be interested to see a tally of how many times contentious decisions go the way of Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea when they play everyone else. Of course it is hard as often it is just the repeated smaller fouls they get away with, which is now the preferred tactic of these teams to stop the counter. Kovacic was the main offender for Chelsea yesterday and the referee waited until about his sixth foul before finally, and reluctantly, booking him.

On a side note, I know the Edouard booking was soft, but he does keep getting booked for that same lazy trip which serves no purpose. Either smash into them Ayew style, or just don't bother.

 

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whatton Flag Stirling 03 Oct 22 10.56am Send a Private Message to whatton Add whatton as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

should have NOTHING to do with it....so are you saying if it had been Wilf instead of Ayew involved Silva would have been sent off? It was an intentional decision by the corrupt referee !

Edited by the silurian (03 Oct 2022 8.11am)

Garth Crooks has picked Silva for his team of the week, and he says:

“ I'm inclined to agree that Thiago Siva was lucky to stay on the pitch. The last man in defence rule was designed to stop the cynical foul and yet referee Chris Kavanagh elected to leave the Chelsea defender on the pitch regardless of his deliberate handball. However, when players make a late challenge in a desperate attempt to win the ball but are beaten due to the speed or ingenuity of the opponent, no latitude is often given.”

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So he is saying it wasn’t a red because “it was only Jordan Ayew” (as others are saying), and he seems to be condoning this.

No wonder there is big club bias.

 


RGW

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 22 11.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by whatton

Garth Crooks has picked Silva for his team of the week, and he says:

“ I'm inclined to agree that Thiago Siva was lucky to stay on the pitch. The last man in defence rule was designed to stop the cynical foul and yet referee Chris Kavanagh elected to leave the Chelsea defender on the pitch regardless of his deliberate handball. However, when players make a late challenge in a desperate attempt to win the ball but are beaten due to the speed or ingenuity of the opponent, no latitude is often given.”

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So he is saying it wasn’t a red because “it was only Jordan Ayew” (as others are saying), and he seems to be condoning this.

No wonder there is big club bias.

So a defender who is caught out of position and nearly gets sent off for a deliberate foul is worth a place in the team of the week. Blimey Harry Maguire is a shoe in for player of the season.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Oct 2022 11.43am)

 


One more point

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Oct 22 11.57am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

As fans we are heavily prone to bias, so I would be interested to see a tally of how many times contentious decisions go the way of Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea when they play everyone else. Of course it is hard as often it is just the repeated smaller fouls they get away with, which is now the preferred tactic of these teams to stop the counter. Kovacic was the main offender for Chelsea yesterday and the referee waited until about his sixth foul before finally, and reluctantly, booking him.

On a side note, I know the Edouard booking was soft, but he does keep getting booked for that same lazy trip which serves no purpose. Either smash into them Ayew style, or just don't bother.

Some years ago now a PhD researcher looked into big club bias and decisions. Surprisingly for them, in their findings there was a big club bias that basically represented the table. At the time, I believe Arsenal and Man U were the big rivals. Unsurprisingly to everyone else it was them that got the most decisions, had the most extra time when behind etc. It was quite an interesting piece of research - you might find it online. It came off the back of Wenger's comments that Arsenal never got anything - and proved him wrong.
Carried out now, one suspects the usual suspects will still be getting all the decisions.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Condemned to Palace Flag London 03 Oct 22 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Condemned to Palace Add Condemned to Palace as a friend

This would make an interesting, and ‘doable’ research project: identify contentious and contested events where red cards had, or had not bee awarded (would need to find quite a lot to get a statistically significant result). Tabulate the outcomes showing which team had benefited from the outcome. We’d then be able to see if the ‘big’ teams were benefiting disproportionately from refereeing decisions.

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

As fans we are heavily prone to bias, so I would be interested to see a tally of how many times contentious decisions go the way of Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea when they play everyone else. Of course it is hard as often it is just the repeated smaller fouls they get away with, which is now the preferred tactic of these teams to stop the counter. Kovacic was the main offender for Chelsea yesterday and the referee waited until about his sixth foul before finally, and reluctantly, booking him.

On a side note, I know the Edouard booking was soft, but he does keep getting booked for that same lazy trip which serves no purpose. Either smash into them Ayew style, or just don't bother.

 

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