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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 21 Mar 22 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I really don't need to "defend" anything. The nonsense speaks eloquently all on its own. I'll just add a couple of points. None of the things you high-light are conspiracy theories. They are just events. Events happen.

Trying to get the world to work together to face big challenges is a noble aspiration, not a devious plan by the rich and powerful to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Stop and think about it. Why would the rich and powerful want the world to collapse from climate change and see their wealth, children and grandchildren perish? They are humans too. They also die.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (21 Mar 2022 9.58pm)

You don't even know that Klaus Schwab has openly said that he has infiltrated cabinets with young global leaders that promote the WEF agenda. If you did, your views would be different , you wouldn't put it all down to events and circumstance.

If you do not even know this basic information, we have no common ground to debate with. You defend it. That's fine. You be you. Keep reading 'prestigious' universities papers... you won't hear any more from me, not worth the energy.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 22 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

You don't even know that Klaus Schwab has openly said that he has infiltrated cabinets with young global leaders that promote the WEF agenda. If you did, your views would be different , you wouldn't put it all down to events and circumstance.

If you do not even know this basic information, we have no common ground to debate with. You defend it. That's fine. You be you. Keep reading 'prestigious' universities papers... you won't hear any more from me, not worth the energy.

No he didn't. No-one has "infiltrated" anything! That implies some kind of clandestine intention. All he is saying is that the younger members of certain cabinets have had the wisdom to have attended the WEF. That's a proud and completely positive achievement.

So Bravo, well done WEF. Continue your valuable work and ignore the dinosaurs.

 


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A link for those interested, Klaus Schwab saying "we penetrate the cabinets" "I know that half of his cabinet are young global leaders of the WEF"


Which begs the question, do politicians work for the people or the WEF.

I would like politicans to not be linked to any outside organization which has vested interests, but, that's just me.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You post something, twice, which is merely opinion and then say there is zero evidence? Here is the evidence. This is the WEF's own website which sets out their objectives. That's evidence of what they say they are trying to achieve. Whether the cynical adherents of every wild conspiracy theory known to man, believe them, is another matter.

Government's have influence over lives. We choose who governs us. Forums like the WEF can, hopefully, influence governments for the better, but it's the government, and us, who take the decisions. You have a vote. Vote against if you so choose. That's your right. I will cancel yours out.

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Temporarily.

 


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Originally posted by Vaibow

[Link]

A link for those interested, Klaus Schwab saying "we penetrate the cabinets" "I know that half of his cabinet are young global leaders of the WEF"


Which begs the question, do politicians work for the people or the WEF.

I would like politicans to not be linked to any outside organization which has vested interests, but, that's just me.

Excellent point.

But apparently that makes you a dinosaur.....you know...the whole expecting a democracy thing starts to look silly doesn't it. Instead you get a globalistic control club with no options.... where you get poorer and they get richer......your parents get to own their home while you will increasingly rent.

You know...all a good thing.....apparently you should love the prospect of your selfdom.

How the left can support WE boggles my mind, talk about the pied piper.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2022 7.03am)

 


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Even Joe Biden just referenced the "New world order" not just a conspiracy theory anymore!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 22 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

[Link]

A link for those interested, Klaus Schwab saying "we penetrate the cabinets" "I know that half of his cabinet are young global leaders of the WEF"


Which begs the question, do politicians work for the people or the WEF.

I would like politicans to not be linked to any outside organization which has vested interests, but, that's just me.

Then you can relax because they aren't.

People attend the WEF either as individuals, or to represent the organisations or governments they work for. They don't "work" for the WEF. They attend and contribute to it.

People who see threats in attempts to ensure the world works smoothly to the benefit of us all have some very warped and quite destructive ideas.

The WEF is a forum for good. It's not some mega conspiracy designed to frustrate those dinosaurs with their feet of clay from bogging us all down in yesterday and stopping progress.

You know what happened to the dinosaurs!

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then you can relax because they aren't.

People attend the WEF either as individuals, or to represent the organisations or governments they work for. They don't "work" for the WEF. They attend and contribute to it.

People who see threats in attempts to ensure the world works smoothly to the benefit of us all have some very warped and quite destructive ideas.

The WEF is a forum for good. It's not some mega conspiracy designed to frustrate those dinosaurs with their feet of clay from bogging us all down in yesterday and stopping progress.

You know what happened to the dinosaurs!

Liar.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Excellent point.

But apparently that makes you a dinosaur.....you know...the whole expecting a democracy thing starts to look silly doesn't it. Instead you get a globalistic control club with no options.... where you get poorer and they get richer......your parents get to own their home while you will increasingly rent.

You know...all a good thing.....apparently you should love the prospect of your selfdom.

How the left can support WE boggles my mind, talk about the pied piper.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2022 7.03am)

That's where the complete misunderstanding of organisations like the WEF springs from.

It's not a club and there is no control. It's a forum, which pretty well anyone can gain admittance if they want to, where ideas are discussed and circulated. There is no-one in control, or controlling anything. People contribute, listen to others, discuss co-operation and then take the ideas back to their governments, or businesses and report them. Decisions are all taken locally, but with the benefit of knowing the ideas coming out of the forum. Ideas which can all be rejected, if they don't suit.

Where's your problem? Don't you like ideas? Are you frightened by them?

A Luddite mentality serves no-one in the 21st century.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 22 1.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Liar.

Yes, you are. Your description of the WEF is a lie.

 


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Your enemy's enemy is your friend. As in all proxy wars one side supplies/supports one side against the other. That there is also money to be made in defence deals is also true. I struggle to think of any wars that weren't like that. Probably, if anything the US should supply more arms to Ukraine: just as Russia and China did to those fighting the US. None of those conflicts were WW3 so why should this be any different? As for ethics, I don't really see them as that valid. Look at civilian casualties in Vietnam for a start. Smarter weapons helped bring these numbers down in Iraq, but no weapon is so smart that it only kills who you want to kill - only an individual can do that, and these wars are largely not in the hands of individuals. Did anyone really blame China and Russia for supporting Vietnam? It just seemed like the stark reality that was a product of power and the perception of and use of that power. Largely done to make one side look bad, or to weaken one side, or to prolong a conflict, hence more arms sales - you can see the similarities here without me saying much more.

 


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Originally posted by Vaibow

Ok, defend this then.

Covid - regardless of what it may or may not be, the response to covid via the western world has dramatically increased the debt. Billions - billions in debt. Fact. Hard to revoker from this.

Small businesses have been negatively impacted - many gone, many just about able to make it work. That then hinders economy - fact.

Also the mental toll from losing work, being unemployed, job opportunities lost - that's insane. Fact.
Schools, two lost years, both mentally, socially, economically - fact.

To name just a few, the above has had huge impacts on society which is hard to recover from.

Ok, so we have a greater pool now of those indebted to the government - they need work, they need loans, they assistance, mortgages gone, marriages gone, kids lost to gangs, on the streets, mentally unfit...

Reliance on the state.

Middle class has shrunk, working lower classes, greatly expanded.

So, fuel, energy prices, these are going to hurt even more.

Electric cars - as if the families/citizens aren't struggling enough - they now need to get electric cars - as they phase in after 2030 (interesting date).

All those families driving bangers - what they going to do?

Allt hese house appliances that breaks after 10 years, how do they then afford newer ones - well, like now, credit, finance..

It's not hard to see that over the next 5 years we will see a huge shift In society where more people will rent their homes, with gov assistance, many people will be on welfare or assistance.

Food banks more prevalent and families adapting.

TV's, appliances, furniture - loans, credit, assistance.

People will rent everything, knowing they are assisted by the government - they will be relieved

Sounds a lot like

You will own nothing and be happy....

Ok, moving on... how do you implant a social credit system when many will naturally oppose - you do it in a round about way.

Quick, we need a database of every citizen - their name, address, details and then we can confirm if they have had a jab.

We rolled it out - it works - people are using it too. Brilliant. We all know who is safe, where they are and who they are - those unvaccinated or those who never used the passport, that's ok, their details are still there they just haven't activated it.

So, now covid is over - we no longer need to use it, cool... however, it's there... ready to go at the flick of a switch.

Ok, economy crashed, let's reboot the banking system via the government - you are all able to claim a basic universal income, just repurpose the passports - great!!

now everyone collects to a degree and therefor doesn't mind it.

Ok, here's an incentive... don't drive your car on Sundays, for the environment, you get extra credit - ohhh cool... voluntary weekend lockdowns.

Ok, you be a good guy online, don't call Lampard a Mong and you get extra credit.

This is happening in china, this is happening all around us it's not bloody hard to see.


Now, is this a good thing - it can be if the people running it are pure of heart with good intentions.... which, politicians all are right?

Oh and the jabs still on trial until next year.... that no longer do what they were advertised to do... they know exactly what they do and if one day something was to arise it will be 'it was you choice'.

Again, the WEF have a goal... ideally it could be utopia... in theory it sounds amazing.... all looked after, all fed... all given work... if those using it have the best intentions...

But when have we ever trusted politicians and CEO's living in futuristic mountain side bunkers lol...

Again - this could all be nonsense... if so, carry on renting your flat, financing your cars, putting appliances on visa, getting warnings on social media for saying the wrong thing, as government spending increases, jobs get less and ww3 looks like it will reset the world... it's just a coincidence right?

This is fantastically entertaining. The mental gymnastics to put all this together really is something

 

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