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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 29 Mar 19 12.37pm |
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I thought you were a telegraph reading high court judge who rarely left the Cotswolds for a minute.
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| dannyboy1978 29 Mar 19 1.03pm |
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Wise words from this 111 year old man. However didn't Cameron try and negotiate from the inside? "My own feeling is that if there were defects, and there were quite obviously defects, we can negotiate on the inside rather than walking off the field with the cricket ball and saying 'I'm not playing'." BBC News - Britain's oldest men turn 111 years old
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Wise words from this 111 year old man. However didn't Cameron try and negotiate from the inside? "My own feeling is that if there were defects, and there were quite obviously defects, we can negotiate on the inside rather than walking off the field with the cricket ball and saying 'I'm not playing'." BBC News - Britain's oldest men turn 111 years old Probably a great man but nope. The only way it would change is if most members threatened to leave, and they wouldn’t because they want freedom of movement because it’s better for their citizens than limited futures at home.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Mar 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Imagine, in Holland, you earned €10 an hour. Now imagine there was a country within the same continent, where you could do the same job and earn €50 an hour. Imagine you happily moved there and were satisfied doing said job for, despite being under the market rate, €40 an hour. If enough people like you left their country of origin and went to the better paying country, employers would soon lower their wage structures (in the better paying country). When the phenomena starts happening, employers would favour those willing to do the job at the same or better standard for lower pay, resulting in a loss of jobs/opportunities for those who were born in the better paying country. Their wage structures would also gradually decrease. It's a really simple concept to grasp, and has nothing to do with xenophobia or skin colour. I was watching a documentary about Andrew Carnegie the ruthless and exploitative US steel baron (he was from Scotland). Carnegie would complain that immigrants new to the country learned too quickly that they were being exploited with slave wages. As each wave of immigrants, Irish, Italian, Poles etc. came in he would use them to keep wages low. Eventually the workers had enough which led to the Homestead strike the most vicious strike in American history. Bottom line he liked cheap foreign labour. Nothing changes.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Mar 19 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Probably a great man but nope. The only way it would change is if most members threatened to leave, and they wouldn’t because they want freedom of movement because it’s better for their citizens than limited futures at home. I agree with his sentiments it would have been easier all round but every time a British PM asked for a little flexibility they were shown the door. Maybe our leaders did not impress on the EU the strength of feeling in this country. However we are where we are and the EU is pushing ahead with it's plans for greater integration so if we stay we would only be spoiling the party.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I was watching a documentary about Andrew Carnegie the ruthless and exploitative US steel baron (he was from Scotland). Carnegie would complain that immigrants new to the country learned too quickly that they were being exploited with slave wages. As each wave of immigrants, Irish, Italian, Poles etc. came in he would use them to keep wages low. Eventually the workers had enough which led to the Homestead strike the most vicious strike in American history. Bottom line he liked cheap foreign labour. Nothing changes. Yes, and unfortunately the cost of living is so high as well, for the employed and unemployed. We need to be able to make our own choices, and hopefully some governments over a long period of time sorting a lot of our problems.
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Pussay Patrol  29 Mar 19 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Imagine, in Holland, you earned €10 an hour. Now imagine there was a country within the same continent, where you could do the same job and earn €50 an hour. Imagine you happily moved there and were satisfied doing said job for, despite being under the market rate, €40 an hour. If enough people like you left their country of origin and went to the better paying country, employers would soon lower their wage structures (in the better paying country). When the phenomena starts happening, employers would favour those willing to do the job at the same or better standard for lower pay, resulting in a loss of jobs/opportunities for those who were born in the better paying country. Their wage structures would also gradually decrease. It's a really simple concept to grasp, and has nothing to do with xenophobia or skin colour. Only trouble is you are generalising, of all economic migrants what percentage is that the case and how many come to fill skills gaps and do the jobs others won't? Haven't looked it up by I would guess it isn't even 10%. What you do is take a negative aspect and apply that across the board, which is what the tabloids, media, Farage et al do to Stoke up resentment and get you to vote their way
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Only trouble is you are generalising, of all economic migrants what percentage is that the case and how many come to fill skills gaps and do the jobs others won't? Haven't looked it up by I would guess it isn't even 10%. What you do is take a negative aspect and apply that across the board, which is what the tabloids, media, Farage et al do to Stoke up resentment and get you to vote their way Not sure there’s an ever growing need to import hundreds of thousands of veg pickers, cleaners and toilet cleaners every year but if you think that’s the case. You have a point regarding skills gaps, which has been our point all the way through this thread. There are people to build houses and drive HGV’s, but instead of getting them into the position to fulfill these roles, we import others to do it and cheaper as well.
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| Pussay Patrol 29 Mar 19 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not sure there’s an ever growing need to import hundreds of thousands of veg pickers, cleaners and toilet cleaners every year but if you think that’s the case. You have a point regarding skills gaps, which has been our point all the way through this thread. There are people to build houses and drive HGV’s, but instead of getting them into the position to fulfill these roles, we import others to do it and cheaper as well. How many kids leave school saying they wanna drive a lorry or pick fruit?
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Teddy Eagle  29 Mar 19 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Only trouble is you are generalising, of all economic migrants what percentage is that the case and how many come to fill skills gaps and do the jobs others won't? Haven't looked it up by I would guess it isn't even 10%. What you do is take a negative aspect and apply that across the board, which is what the tabloids, media, Farage et al do to Stoke up resentment and get you to vote their way In 2013 20% of jobs in key industries were filled by migrants. The number in unskilled jobs is anyone’s guess.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 19 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How many kids leave school saying they wanna drive a lorry or pick fruit? Quite a lot of working class males would drive an HGV for its pay rate after they’ve experienced non skilled work and wages. They do not get taken on because there’s a free and cheaper alternative from the EU. I remseeing an ad for a week or something to pass the HGV. It was 2-3 years ago possibly and £1,000 or £1,200 I think.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Mar 19 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How many kids leave school saying they wanna drive a lorry or pick fruit?
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