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Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 19 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same side of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match. I believe he has said the same about you Willo
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I believe he has said the same about you Willo Jacob , a pillar of respectability himself,has always treated me with the utmost respect.
Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 11.17am)
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W12 16 Sep 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Cameron carries the can but the decision to hold the referendum, which now looks such a stupid one in hindsight, was not his alone. It was backed by the Party, the Cabinet, the government and Parliament. Having backed Remain he did the decent thing and stood aside so that a new PM could be chosen to see the thing through. That that effort has hit the rocks isn't his fault. I am not excusing him for failing to realise that a referendum of that sort was always going to create a huge crisis. I argued against it at the time but was in a tiny minority back then and wiser heads in the back rooms ought to have been giving strong advice. The mere fact that the country chose to change the status quo is enough justification for holding a referendum in the first place. We should have had referendum before on the various EU treaties as our sovereignty was ceded to the EU without our permission, but we were denied. Brexit has not divided the country. The Brexit vote is just an expression of an underlying division that already existed in the country. It was just the first opportunity people had to express this. The pretty disgusting reaction of the technocrats had just underlined to people that they were right all along.
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.TUX. 16 Sep 19 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You actually read it?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same wing of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match.
Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 12.12pm | |
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T Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world? Our views on JRM are polar opposites. I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate. We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion. Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 19 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of. You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left. Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position. The Referendum did not specify any arrangement, however, it would be unacceptable to enter into one that was like staying in the EU in all but name. The position of Labour is disingenuous. Remainers only want to remain at all costs. Labour has a majority of Remainers. Only the Tories will deliver Brexit as they have the most to lose by failure. Labour must say something different to the Tories and Lib Dems. It's all just political games.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Sep 19 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world? Jeez you ain't wrong there old son!!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
T Our views on JRM are polar opposites. I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate. We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion. Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm) I don't have any issues with those born into privilege taking advantage of it. That's life and an understandable and desirable desire to secure better lives for our children. What irks is the hypocrisy and the suggestions that people like JRM are against the "elite", when they are themselves close to the pinnacle and that they are taking the stance they do for the country and not because of self interest.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 1.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He did honour the result, which he profoundly disagreed with, by resigning and allowing the Tories to choose a new leader to sort out the mess. A mess that they had created with the intention to quieten the Eurosceptics for good and consign UKIP to history. It went wrong. A referendum can too easily be hijacked by lies, timing and the winds of chance to be a reliable way to determine what the country really wants, let alone what is in it's best interests. What people say on the stump should always be taken with a whole packet of salt. Just look at what was on that Leave campaign bus. Cameron is now just setting the record straight and letting the people know the truth. His publishers are the one's deciding the timing. People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Sep 19 1.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anyone with two brain cells can see how disingenerous the argument is. Unless the UK leaves the EU everything susmik stated will come to pass.....Unless the UK leaves now it won't be given the opportunity again. Arguing about specific treaties for this or that is reductio ad absurdum. Like focusing on your outdoor swimming pool as the tsunami comes. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 11.38am) I find your position the disingenuous one; conflating a prediction with a legal inevitability stated in a treaty is entirely misleading - remember how in uproar leavers were about ‘project fear’? It’s the same thing. It’s not about specific treaties; the predictions in that list are not fact and not stated in any treaties at all, so to present them as such is false.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.08pm | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! "Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable? I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened.
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