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Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Sep 19 11.08am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same side of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match.

I believe he has said the same about you Willo

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 11.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I believe he has said the same about you Willo

Jacob , a pillar of respectability himself,has always treated me with the utmost respect.


Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 11.17am)

 

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W12 16 Sep 19 11.54am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Cameron carries the can but the decision to hold the referendum, which now looks such a stupid one in hindsight, was not his alone.

It was backed by the Party, the Cabinet, the government and Parliament.

Having backed Remain he did the decent thing and stood aside so that a new PM could be chosen to see the thing through. That that effort has hit the rocks isn't his fault.

I am not excusing him for failing to realise that a referendum of that sort was always going to create a huge crisis. I argued against it at the time but was in a tiny minority back then and wiser heads in the back rooms ought to have been giving strong advice.

The mere fact that the country chose to change the status quo is enough justification for holding a referendum in the first place. We should have had referendum before on the various EU treaties as our sovereignty was ceded to the EU without our permission, but we were denied.

Brexit has not divided the country. The Brexit vote is just an expression of an underlying division that already existed in the country. It was just the first opportunity people had to express this. The pretty disgusting reaction of the technocrats had just underlined to people that they were right all along.

 

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.TUX. Flag 16 Sep 19 11.56am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You actually read it?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same wing of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match.


Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 11.14am)

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

Our views on JRM are polar opposites.
Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes.

I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate.
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We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion.
Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’.

Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Sep 19 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of.

You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left.

Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position.

The Referendum did not specify any arrangement, however, it would be unacceptable to enter into one that was like staying in the EU in all but name.

The position of Labour is disingenuous. Remainers only want to remain at all costs. Labour has a majority of Remainers. Only the Tories will deliver Brexit as they have the most to lose by failure.

Labour must say something different to the Tories and Lib Dems. It's all just political games.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Sep 19 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

Jeez you ain't wrong there old son!!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 1.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

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Our views on JRM are polar opposites.
Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes.

I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate.
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We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion.
Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’.

Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)

I don't have any issues with those born into privilege taking advantage of it. That's life and an understandable and desirable desire to secure better lives for our children.

What irks is the hypocrisy and the suggestions that people like JRM are against the "elite", when they are themselves close to the pinnacle and that they are taking the stance they do for the country and not because of self interest.

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 1.41pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle



It seems that people like you cannot tolerate real democracy in action and just want your own way, threatening mayhem if you don't get it.

He did honour the result, which he profoundly disagreed with, by resigning and allowing the Tories to choose a new leader to sort out the mess. A mess that they had created with the intention to quieten the Eurosceptics for good and consign UKIP to history. It went wrong. A referendum can too easily be hijacked by lies, timing and the winds of chance to be a reliable way to determine what the country really wants, let alone what is in it's best interests.

What people say on the stump should always be taken with a whole packet of salt. Just look at what was on that Leave campaign bus.

Cameron is now just setting the record straight and letting the people know the truth. His publishers are the one's deciding the timing.

People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 16 Sep 19 1.46pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone with two brain cells can see how disingenerous the argument is.

Unless the UK leaves the EU everything susmik stated will come to pass.....Unless the UK leaves now it won't be given the opportunity again.

Arguing about specific treaties for this or that is reductio ad absurdum. Like focusing on your outdoor swimming pool as the tsunami comes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 11.38am)

I find your position the disingenuous one; conflating a prediction with a legal inevitability stated in a treaty is entirely misleading - remember how in uproar leavers were about ‘project fear’? It’s the same thing.

It’s not about specific treaties; the predictions in that list are not fact and not stated in any treaties at all, so to present them as such is false.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely

Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond!

"Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable?

I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain.

I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened.

 


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