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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Sep 19 4.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

she is Guyanan! Just because she may or may not have a British passport doesnt make her British.....After all Jesus was born in a stable, didnt make him a horse did it?

To be fair she was born in 1965 when Guyana was still British Guiana and therefore would have been British at birth

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 17 Sep 19 4.19pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I'm personally not a fan of Thatcher although she did some things that had to be done (that even subsequent Labour governments decided not to reverse). To her detriment She ushered in a period of overt selfishness in our society in the 80's that we have never recovered from.

To my mind conservatism is not all about economic gain but the principles of freedom, self determination but very social responsibility or social conservatism if you like. Crony capitalism (asset stripping and the like) has been a cancer in the west for too long. I'm a believer in the free market to the extent that people are providing some value to the wider society rather than just themselves. Even merchant bankers can do that.

Neliberalism has increased levels of inequality in our society to levels normally only seen in wars or famines. Financialisation has allowed the rich to increase their wealth exponentially, benefitting corporations which have trashed local communities across the world and destroyed the planet.

But Britain is the global epicentre of the financial world, linking east to west, still in possession of principalities across the world where the rich can horde their wealth away from the clutches of anyone who dares say they should give something back.

What they have created is a society with a hell of a lot of anger and a sense of injustice, who are looking for someone to blame. Brexit has become that thing, but if what you're angry about is crony capitalism then I don't think Sajid Javid (Deutsche Bank) Farage (former commodity trader) and Boris Johnson (openly funded by venture capitalists) are going to save you.

There is only one party who is actually standing up to the financial sector. But I won't say their name or I'll get called anti-Semitic!

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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elgrande Flag bedford 17 Sep 19 4.44pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's a new version of the Soros conspiracy theory that he is behind every challenge to populism.

Did you hear it on Facebook, or do have any actual evidence?

You really are a patronising person aren't you.
I bet you haven't got a wide circle of friends...

There has been rumours for years hes involved.
Suits him down to the ground.

Has to be one of the most odious people in the world.(soros that is).

Mind you if the cap fits.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 17 Sep 19 4.45pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Neliberalism has increased levels of inequality in our society to levels normally only seen in wars or famines. Financialisation has allowed the rich to increase their wealth exponentially, benefitting corporations which have trashed local communities across the world and destroyed the planet.

But Britain is the global epicentre of the financial world, linking east to west, still in possession of principalities across the world where the rich can horde their wealth away from the clutches of anyone who dares say they should give something back.

What they have created is a society with a hell of a lot of anger and a sense of injustice, who are looking for someone to blame. Brexit has become that thing, but if what you're angry about is crony capitalism then I don't think Sajid Javid (Deutsche Bank) Farage (former commodity trader) and Boris Johnson (openly funded by venture capitalists) are going to save you.

There is only one party who is actually standing up to the financial sector. But I won't say their name or I'll get called anti-Semitic!

The European union being amongst them.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 17 Sep 19 4.47pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Ha ha,you really couldn't make it up...

 


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becky Flag over the moon 17 Sep 19 4.53pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Having people on here constantly saying that nobody voted for no deal and that everyone was led to believe that there would be an easily arranged deal with the EU, I decided to revisit the Government's very own document to every household in the UK (yes that £9.something million one that was to persuade us to remain) - I quote below the section from it about leaving: it actually refers to 10 years of 'unpicking trade with the EU' and that a deal may not be too easy to negotiate with them. So where does all this 'you didn't vote for no deal come from if even the Government's own paperwork says this is the most likely event? I have highlighted the relevant bits.

"What happens if we leave?

Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs. The Government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EU and over 50 other countries around the world.Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market. But the Government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU. No other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market, without having to:•follow EU rules over which they have no real say• pay into the EU•accept EU citizens living and working in their countryA more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the Single Market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy. For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services, it has so far been seven years in the making andis still not in force.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Sep 19 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You would be too late.

Once the Supreme Court decides something they won't entertain further arguments.

The only way to change it, is to change the law. In Parliament.

Well, I would but they’re not sitting. Surprised you haven’t heard.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 17 Sep 19 6.08pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Having people on here constantly saying that nobody voted for no deal and that everyone was led to believe that there would be an easily arranged deal with the EU, I decided to revisit the Government's very own document to every household in the UK (yes that £9.something million one that was to persuade us to remain) - I quote below the section from it about leaving: it actually refers to 10 years of 'unpicking trade with the EU' and that a deal may not be too easy to negotiate with them. So where does all this 'you didn't vote for no deal come from if even the Government's own paperwork says this is the most likely event? I have highlighted the relevant bits.

"What happens if we leave?

Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs. The Government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EU and over 50 other countries around the world.Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market. But the Government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU. No other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market, without having to:•follow EU rules over which they have no real say• pay into the EU•accept EU citizens living and working in their countryA more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the Single Market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy. For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services, it has so far been seven years in the making andis still not in force.

I wonder how many who voted leave, now want a second referendum?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 19 6.41pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

How many remain lobby/activist/pressure groups are there exactly compared to leave? There are hundereds of these and all seem to be well funded. Do you think that it's an accident that every time there is a march or protest they all turn up with huge numbers of pre-printed identical signs. Only the Brexit party have been able to do that on the leave side mainly funded by large numbers of small donations.

This is just a non exhaustive list of remain pressure groups and campaigns even before the original referendum:

British Influence (Centre for British Influence Through Europe)ration.
European Movement UK
Federal Trust for Education and Research
Young European Movement
Academics for Europe
Generation Europe
Healthier IN the EU
Historians for Britain IN Europe
Irish for Europe
Lawyers – In For Britain
New Europeans
Out 4 In
Scientists for EU
Students for Europe
UK Indians for Remaining in Europe
Universities for Europe (Universities UK)
Campaigns by cause
Environmentalists for Europe
Friends of the Earth Trust
Global Justice Now
Third Generation Environmentalism
Workers’ Europe
Another Europe is Possible
Brand EU
Business for new Europe
Cambridge for Europe
Keep Scotland in the EU
London First
North East for Europe (NE4EU)
St Andrews for Europe (SAfE)
Wales 4 Europe
Conservatives Europe Group
Conservatives In
Labour In for Britain
Labour Movement for Europe
Greens For A Better Europe
#INtogether (Liberal Democrats)
Hug A Brit
Pro Europa
Say Yes to Europe
We Are Europe
UK to Stay in the EU
Stay in Europe
Wake Up Europe


How can Soros involvement be deniable when we know he was meeting with Tony Blair on Brexit and donated at least £1.7m? He's yet another one that's also not a UK citizen.

There was a recent documentary exposing the conspiracy theories that have built up around Soros and explaining why he has been selected as the target. Finding a bogeyman to blame for everything stops you having to actually explain your own policies. Trump learned that from Roy Cohn and has relentlessly followed it ever since, along with never apologise always attack your critic. Soros fits the Trump campaign needs perfectly. Rich but liberal in outlook. Has established foundations intended to encourage democracy, Blaming him has become a mantra of the right and populists everywhere, to the degree that many on the right now believe it implicitly. It's fake. Totally fake. It's just a shameful campaign tactic.

Just found this. Check it out and follow the link to watch the documentary:-

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 19 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

You really are a patronising person aren't you.
I bet you haven't got a wide circle of friends...

There has been rumours for years hes involved.
Suits him down to the ground.

Has to be one of the most odious people in the world.(soros that is).

Mind you if the cap fits.

It's just conspiracy theory, widely circulated among the right, but totally fake. Rumours don't equal truth if they are deliberately started to divert and deflect.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 19 6.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well, I would but they’re not sitting. Surprised you haven’t heard.

You don't control Parliament's agenda anymore than I do and Johnson soon won't, if justice is done.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Sep 19 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You don't control Parliament's agenda anymore than I do and Johnson soon won't, if justice is done.

Umm, yes, I know that.

 

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