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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 14 Dec 18 11.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Does anyone ever know what you are on about other than you? What on earth do you mean?
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| steve1984 15 Dec 18 9.41am | |
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Why accuse me of lying? Maybe it offends your concept of racial stereotypes to discover that not all white people got attacked by black people whilst walking the streets of Brixton c.1981. You did. Your family did. I didn't. I was mugged by some black guys when I was at school. Smack in the face and my watch was gone. But the conclusion I drew from that experience wasn't that Britain has an immigrant problem. I was 19 when I moved to Brixton, I didn't grow up or go to school there like you did. And yes it was as rough as a badger's arse but at the same time it was a great place imo. My girlfriend and me shared a flat on the 3rd floor of Electric Mansions, Electric Ave with three IRA sympathisers. Her sister lived nearby in Rushcroft Rd near the Ritzy. We'd moved there from our previous flat in Herne Hill. We went to the Ritzy once or twice a week and we'd walk there and back up Railton Road. I don't recall experiencing a single problem. A few weeks after moving to Brixton, the Irish guys decided to throw a house party. I went to the nearest phone box (those were the days) in Atlantic Road to invite an old Palace supporting friend. When I looked up I saw that a car had been set alight in Brixton Rd effectively blocking the A23 in both directions. By the time I got back round the corner they'd already begun looting Curry's Electrical. I then witnessed the entire riot both on the streets and from the relative safety of the roof, which gave me a bird's eye view of the town center. (see attached pic) Why do I feel the need to tell you all this? Perhaps its because your poor little white kid gets beaten up by some irredeemably evil black people then flees to some God forsaken crap hole with his family and grows up to become a vocal nationalist and islamophobe story just pisses me off. Your experiences were far from unique. As we both know that place was very dangerous. Many people were physically attacked including my girlfriend's big sister. It was really scary for you and your family, I'm 100% sure about that. But the opinions you then formed about your experiences were entirely of your own doing. You didn't choose to get beaten and scared but you did choose to become an islamophobic nationalist. But nothing you experienced in Stockwell justifies your reactionary, hate filled political views. It's not my fault if you don't have the courage to see that.
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Originally posted by steve1984
Why accuse me of lying? Maybe it offends your concept of racial stereotypes to discover that not all white people got attacked by black people whilst walking the streets of Brixton c.1981. You did. Your family did. I didn't. I was mugged by some black guys when I was at school. Smack in the face and my watch was gone. But the conclusion I drew from that experience wasn't that Britain has an immigrant problem. I was 19 when I moved to Brixton, I didn't grow up or go to school there like you did. And yes it was as rough as a badger's arse but at the same time it was a great place imo. My girlfriend and me shared a flat on the 3rd floor of Electric Mansions, Electric Ave with three IRA sympathisers. Her sister lived nearby in Rushcroft Rd near the Ritzy. We'd moved there from our previous flat in Herne Hill. We went to the Ritzy once or twice a week and we'd walk there and back up Railton Road. I don't recall experiencing a single problem. A few weeks after moving to Brixton, the Irish guys decided to throw a house party. I went to the nearest phone box (those were the days) in Atlantic Road to invite an old Palace supporting friend. When I looked up I saw that a car had been set alight in Brixton Rd effectively blocking the A23 in both directions. By the time I got back round the corner they'd already begun looting Curry's Electrical. I then witnessed the entire riot both on the streets and from the relative safety of the roof, which gave me a bird's eye view of the town center. (see attached pic) Why do I feel the need to tell you all this? Perhaps its because your poor little white kid gets beaten up by some irredeemably evil black people then flees to some God forsaken crap hole with his family and grows up to become a vocal nationalist and islamophobe story just pisses me off. Your experiences were far from unique. As we both know that place was very dangerous. Many people were physically attacked including my girlfriend's big sister. It was really scary for you and your family, I'm 100% sure about that. But the opinions you then formed about your experiences were entirely of your own doing. You didn't choose to get beaten and scared but you did choose to become an islamophobic nationalist. But nothing you experienced in Stockwell justifies your reactionary, hate filled political views. It's not my fault if you don't have the courage to see that.
These are meaningless terms. What the hell is Islamophobia other than a debate stopping phrase invented by blinkered liberals? What do you really want? Nationalist? As opposed to what? How does one not recognise their nation? Why would one want to purposfully damage it unless you are its enemy?
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| steve1984 15 Dec 18 10.53am | |
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Which part of "I'm not talking to you, rent boy" didn't you understand?
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| Stirlingsays 15 Dec 18 11.13am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Why accuse me of lying? Maybe it offends your concept of racial stereotypes to discover that not all white people got attacked by black people whilst walking the streets of Brixton c.1981. You did. Your family did. I didn't. I was mugged by some black guys when I was at school. Smack in the face and my watch was gone. But the conclusion I drew from that experience wasn't that Britain has an immigrant problem. I was 19 when I moved to Brixton, I didn't grow up or go to school there like you did. And yes it was as rough as a badger's arse but at the same time it was a great place imo. My girlfriend and me shared a flat on the 3rd floor of Electric Mansions, Electric Ave with three IRA sympathisers. Her sister lived nearby in Rushcroft Rd near the Ritzy. We'd moved there from our previous flat in Herne Hill. We went to the Ritzy once or twice a week and we'd walk there and back up Railton Road. I don't recall experiencing a single problem. A few weeks after moving to Brixton, the Irish guys decided to throw a house party. I went to the nearest phone box (those were the days) in Atlantic Road to invite an old Palace supporting friend. When I looked up I saw that a car had been set alight in Brixton Rd effectively blocking the A23 in both directions. By the time I got back round the corner they'd already begun looting Curry's Electrical. I then witnessed the entire riot both on the streets and from the relative safety of the roof, which gave me a bird's eye view of the town center. (see attached pic) Why do I feel the need to tell you all this? Perhaps its because your poor little white kid gets beaten up by some irredeemably evil black people then flees to some God forsaken crap hole with his family and grows up to become a vocal nationalist and islamophobe story just pisses me off. Your experiences were far from unique. As we both know that place was very dangerous. Many people were physically attacked including my girlfriend's big sister. It was really scary for you and your family, I'm 100% sure about that. But the opinions you then formed about your experiences were entirely of your own doing. You didn't choose to get beaten and scared but you did choose to become an islamophobic nationalist. But nothing you experienced in Stockwell justifies your reactionary, hate filled political views. It's not my fault if you don't have the courage to see that.
Last night when I questioned the veracity of what you said you posted at 10:53, 'You'll be saying you think I'm Nick Gusset next. But you're right of course actually I lived in Eaton Square until I left school and went up to Cambridge. My only experience of the frontline was from an old Lee Perry LP.' So your commitment to being straightforward is questionable at the least. Why should I believe one statement over another? I also question whether a white kid who lived in that dangerous environment would have belittled what I said as you did. Even blaming me for being attacked. If you are telling the truth perhaps it was due to the small amount of time you spent...whatever. The out of proportion statistics on violence by blacks, especially males is well known and documented. It averages out as significantly higher than for other communities pretty much everywhere you look. That isn't racism it's just factual reality. But Stevie boy didn't have a problem....so he gets to chat s***e and call people racists. Stating facts isn't racism. No individual is responsible for whatever group they come from. I mean look at you....Your a turncoat to your nation, yet you're white like the majority of them there who aren't. What did you call me? An 'islamophobic nationalist'......Well, I'd refine that to an 'anti Islamic nationalist'....but that's ok, you can call me what you like. I'll call you an 'islamophilic English turncoat'. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2018 11.15am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 18 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Which part of "I'm not talking to you, rent boy" didn't you understand? That's really brave. Do you wear your laptop for protection when you go out on the crime filled streets of London? You can't answer my questions because they expose your reductionism and deliberately obtuse standpoint.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Dec 18 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Which part of "I'm not talking to you, rent boy" didn't you understand? Chislehurst isn't Brixton Nick.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 18 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Chislehurst isn't Brixton Nick. I wonder if 'Tawny' lives in Chislehurst too?
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| steve1984 15 Dec 18 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You can't answer my questions because they expose your reductionism and deliberately obtuse standpoint. When you walk into a pub and someone you've never met before calls you a rent boy is your first reaction to indulge him with a conversation about politics? Or do you write him off as an ignorant tosser who probably needs a good shoeing?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 18 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
When you walk into a pub and someone you've never met before calls you a rent boy is your first reaction to indulge him with a conversation about politics? Or do you write him off as an ignorant tosser who probably needs a good shoeing? It depends on if your name is Nick. If it is, you are banned from that pub. Nice evasion from answering my questions Mr liberal.
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| Tawny Croydon 16 Dec 18 1.41am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Why accuse me of lying? Maybe it offends your concept of racial stereotypes to discover that not all white people got attacked by black people whilst walking the streets of Brixton c.1981. You did. Your family did. I didn't. I was mugged by some black guys when I was at school. Smack in the face and my watch was gone. But the conclusion I drew from that experience wasn't that Britain has an immigrant problem. I was 19 when I moved to Brixton, I didn't grow up or go to school there like you did. And yes it was as rough as a badger's arse but at the same time it was a great place imo. My girlfriend and me shared a flat on the 3rd floor of Electric Mansions, Electric Ave with three IRA sympathisers. Her sister lived nearby in Rushcroft Rd near the Ritzy. We'd moved there from our previous flat in Herne Hill. We went to the Ritzy once or twice a week and we'd walk there and back up Railton Road. I don't recall experiencing a single problem. A few weeks after moving to Brixton, the Irish guys decided to throw a house party. I went to the nearest phone box (those were the days) in Atlantic Road to invite an old Palace supporting friend. When I looked up I saw that a car had been set alight in Brixton Rd effectively blocking the A23 in both directions. By the time I got back round the corner they'd already begun looting Curry's Electrical. I then witnessed the entire riot both on the streets and from the relative safety of the roof, which gave me a bird's eye view of the town center. (see attached pic) Why do I feel the need to tell you all this? Perhaps its because your poor little white kid gets beaten up by some irredeemably evil black people then flees to some God forsaken crap hole with his family and grows up to become a vocal nationalist and islamophobe story just pisses me off. Your experiences were far from unique. As we both know that place was very dangerous. Many people were physically attacked including my girlfriend's big sister. It was really scary for you and your family, I'm 100% sure about that. But the opinions you then formed about your experiences were entirely of your own doing. You didn't choose to get beaten and scared but you did choose to become an islamophobic nationalist. But nothing you experienced in Stockwell justifies your reactionary, hate filled political views. It's not my fault if you don't have the courage to see that.
If we imagine a black kid getting racist abuse, that would likely lead to a hair trigger sensitivity in life to racism, and I think this is essentially the parallel or mirror image of that. A distancing from others based on difference and a pouncing on of anything that seems to have any real care or compassion for how people in those groups are treated. That is the fact of the matter. That said I feel that it's useful to separate innate differences such as race from belief systems. If someone is black that's who they are, have always been and will always be. Religion is more of an opt in, and though I have much respect for peaceful people of all religions, the more fire and brimstone ones certainly aren't all sweetness and light and have their faults. I have a take as you find approach. If someone happens to be especially intolerant within their religion, they are still prejudiced in a way that disadvantages others and so should not be able to shelter within religious beliefs as justification for that. Edited by Tawny (16 Dec 2018 1.48am)
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 9.26am | |
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Interesting post thank you. Donkey's years ago my brother played Croydon Sunday League for Hurst House Boys Home. He was one of two white team members. One afternoon on the Purley Way he took a headbutt in the face that broke his front tooth, claret everywhere. As he lay on the ground his assailant called him a "****** lover". Needless to say my brother's team mates rallied around and defended him but it was too late by that stage. I should also say that many of the racist's team mates were equally angry and apologetic. Racism isn't always conveniently black on white or white on black. But wherever it raises it head it provokes a reaction.
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