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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 4.34pm

I watched the first five minutes of that video and that bloke heckles the panel (he wasn't inivted to speak originally) and he was heckled back by other members of the audience. Why is he entitled to heckle and others not? Why didn't you mention he completely peaceful manner in which the first woman asked the question and was answered (until funnily enough that bloke heckled)?

That is literally a video showing a debate, in the mainstream media, on immigration. How is this an example of the debate being shut down?

I don't want proof, I simply want examples where people aren't allowed to discuss immigration. Don't forget your very first response to my original point that immigration is actually discussed all the time in the media was 'Ha!' As if to say I'm wildly wrong and you've managed to come up with one example of a private opinion (after a discussion about immigration) and an actual debate on immigration as an example of the debate on immigration being shut down. This is crazy.

You also said I'm buring my head in the sand so help me out here. When do the media shut the debate down on immigration?


Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 4.36pm)

I've given you two examples now. I can see the game you're playing. You don't want 'proof' but you want 'examples'? What's that all about?

This person is implicitly accused of racism (given though he doesn't mention race) and is heckled by the audience as soon as he mentions immigrants.

He may or may not be a racist....It isn't actually knowable from what he says...He sounds more frustrated by his situation ...but those not interested in what he's actually saying assume racism anyway.

The response he gets from the audience appears to make him uncomfortable enough to leave.

People breaking into the conversation on Question time happens frequently. I agree that this bloke was a little too forceful with the second panel member when he started to refer to race in respect to his concerns. but he didn't heckle the first panelist.

However, it's direct proof that when immigration is discussed that there a certain section of people who like to assume and accuse people of racism.

The poster 'ghosteagle' is another prime example of what I'm talking about in terms of trying to close me down...Telling me to leave, calling me names.

Yes I do think you're playing the 'flat earther' here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2015 4.49pm)

 


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Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.40pm

You are a troll - check
You are a liar - check
Seriously SS, give it up. As ever you have no arguments and a distinct lack of facts to back-up anything you post. 'swamped' indeed, try at least varying your vocabulary otherwise people might notice that your heart isn't in it!


Read the statistics. Read the links. I'm no liar.

You are a name caller and rather amusingly....you provide direct proof of what I was complaining about.

Thank you.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 4.51pm

Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.40pm

You are a troll - check
You are a liar - check
Seriously SS, give it up. As ever you have no arguments and a distinct lack of facts to back-up anything you post. 'swamped' indeed, try at least varying your vocabulary otherwise people might notice that your heart isn't in it!


Read the statistics. Read the links. I'm no liar.

You are a name caller and rather amusingly....you provide direct proof of what I was complaining about.

Thank you.

No worries, always trying to please. The main thing is that people should realise that your arguments have no validity and are based on nothing as concrete as facts but in the main are based on a need to blame people who are different. But to be fair it seems that most people have concluded that you are the liar you appear to be.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 15 5.00pm

From Wigan UKIP's facebook page. What lovely people to support.

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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 4.47pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 4.34pm

I watched the first five minutes of that video and that bloke heckles the panel (he wasn't inivted to speak originally) and he was heckled back by other members of the audience. Why is he entitled to heckle and others not? Why didn't you mention he completely peaceful manner in which the first woman asked the question and was answered (until funnily enough that bloke heckled)?

That is literally a video showing a debate, in the mainstream media, on immigration. How is this an example of the debate being shut down?

I don't want proof, I simply want examples where people aren't allowed to discuss immigration. Don't forget your very first response to my original point that immigration is actually discussed all the time in the media was 'Ha!' As if to say I'm wildly wrong and you've managed to come up with one example of a private opinion (after a discussion about immigration) and an actual debate on immigration as an example of the debate on immigration being shut down. This is crazy.

You also said I'm buring my head in the sand so help me out here. When do the media shut the debate down on immigration?


Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 4.36pm)

I've given you two examples now. I can see the game you're playing. You don't want 'proof' but you want 'examples'? What's that all about?

This person is implicitly accused of racism (given though he doesn't mention race) and is heckled by the audience as soon as he mentions immigrants.

He may or may not be a racist....It isn't actually knowable from what he says...He sounds more frustrated by his situation ...but those not interested in what he's actually saying assume racism anyway.

The response he gets from the audience appears to make him uncomfortable enough to leave.

People breaking into the conversation on Question time happens frequently. I agree that this bloke was a little too forceful with the second panel member when he started to refer to race in respect to his concerns. but he didn't heckle the first panelist.

However, it's direct proof that when immigration is discussed that there a certain section of people who like to assume and accuse people of racism.

The poster 'ghosteagle' is another prime example of what I'm talking about in terms of trying to close me down...Telling me to leave, calling me names.

Yes I do think you're playing the 'flat earther' here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2015 4.49pm)


Classic!

 

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Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.55pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 4.51pm

Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.40pm

You are a troll - check
You are a liar - check
Seriously SS, give it up. As ever you have no arguments and a distinct lack of facts to back-up anything you post. 'swamped' indeed, try at least varying your vocabulary otherwise people might notice that your heart isn't in it!


Read the statistics. Read the links. I'm no liar.

You are a name caller and rather amusingly....you provide direct proof of what I was complaining about.

Thank you.

No worries, always trying to please. The main thing is that people should realise that your arguments have no validity and are based on nothing as concrete as facts but in the main are based on a need to blame people who are different. But to be fair it seems that most people have concluded that you are the liar you appear to be.


I've provided facts and statistics in the links.

I don't blame immigrants, I blame politicians. You are deciding what I believe and are placing your prejudices upon me. My job involves working with a number of immigrants and they are just doing what's best for them.

Frankly mate, I'm happy for people to read these posts and make a judgement upon fairness of comment.

I don't see many even handed commentators supporting your particular brand of posts.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 15 5.07pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 5.02pm

You are deciding what I believe and are placing your prejudices upon me.


Sorry stirling old chum, I can't recall the threads exactly, but you've definitely done that with me. That said, you've also defended me on occasion.

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 5.02pm

Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.55pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 4.51pm

Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 4.40pm

You are a troll - check
You are a liar - check
Seriously SS, give it up. As ever you have no arguments and a distinct lack of facts to back-up anything you post. 'swamped' indeed, try at least varying your vocabulary otherwise people might notice that your heart isn't in it!


Read the statistics. Read the links. I'm no liar.

You are a name caller and rather amusingly....you provide direct proof of what I was complaining about.

Thank you.

No worries, always trying to please. The main thing is that people should realise that your arguments have no validity and are based on nothing as concrete as facts but in the main are based on a need to blame people who are different. But to be fair it seems that most people have concluded that you are the liar you appear to be.


I've provided facts and statistics in the links.

I don't blame immigrants, I blame politicians. You are deciding what I believe and are placing your prejudices upon me. My job involves working with a number of immigrants and they are just doing what's best for them.

Frankly mate, I'm happy for people to read these posts and make a judgement upon fairness of comment.

I don't see many even handed commentators supporting your particular brand of posts.

You are inventive with the truth, i'll give you that. You have constantly blamed immigrants so don't even try that one. I'm also happy for people to read these posts, although i'm thinking that most 'commentators' (??? Yes, i'm sure the'll be an editorial in The Times) will have been bored by your ramblings and lies and moved onto other matters.

 

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Quote nickgusset at 06 Apr 2015 5.07pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 5.02pm

You are deciding what I believe and are placing your prejudices upon me.


Sorry stirling old chum, I can't recall the threads exactly, but you've definitely done that with me. That said, you've also defended me on occasion.


True.

Mind you...No matter, how heated or different our opinions are I'll aways be grateful to you and (well, they know who they are). Fair minded people are good people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2015 5.13pm)

 


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EricYoung'sSweatBand Flag 06 Apr 15 5.16pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 4.47pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 4.34pm

I watched the first five minutes of that video and that bloke heckles the panel (he wasn't inivted to speak originally) and he was heckled back by other members of the audience. Why is he entitled to heckle and others not? Why didn't you mention he completely peaceful manner in which the first woman asked the question and was answered (until funnily enough that bloke heckled)?

That is literally a video showing a debate, in the mainstream media, on immigration. How is this an example of the debate being shut down?

I don't want proof, I simply want examples where people aren't allowed to discuss immigration. Don't forget your very first response to my original point that immigration is actually discussed all the time in the media was 'Ha!' As if to say I'm wildly wrong and you've managed to come up with one example of a private opinion (after a discussion about immigration) and an actual debate on immigration as an example of the debate on immigration being shut down. This is crazy.

You also said I'm buring my head in the sand so help me out here. When do the media shut the debate down on immigration?


Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 4.36pm)

I've given you two examples now. I can see the game you're playing. You don't want 'proof' but you want 'examples'? What's that all about?

This person is implicitly accused of racism (given though he doesn't mention race) and is heckled by the audience as soon as he mentions immigrants.

He may or may not be a racist....It isn't actually knowable from what he says...He sounds more frustrated by his situation ...but those not interested in what he's actually saying assume racism anyway.

The response he gets from the audience appears to make him uncomfortable enough to leave.

People breaking into the conversation on Question time happens frequently. I agree that this bloke was a little too forceful with the second panel member when he started to refer to race in respect to his concerns. but he didn't heckle the first panelist.

However, it's direct proof that when immigration is discussed that there a certain section of people who like to assume and accuse people of racism.

The poster 'ghosteagle' is another prime example of what I'm talking about in terms of trying to close me down...Telling me to leave, calling me names.

Yes I do think you're playing the 'flat earther' here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2015 4.49pm)

That bloke broke in to the conversation first and it shows your bias that you're fine with him doing it and are not fine with people who disagree with him doing it. No one told him he couldn't speak did they? You're blindly ignoring the support the bloke got in the audience and from the other panel members and the fact that no one shut him down.

You're still not showing me where the debate is being shot down in the media. I don't know why you're struggling so hard with media. Those audience members aren't the media and nor is Ghosteagle. Ghosteagle is entitled to his opinion whether you agree with it or not and so are you.

I genuinely don't know what you mean by you saying I'm playing games or that I'm a 'flat earther' because all of this seems like a distraction from the point I made that you laughed at. I've not called you any derogatory names and I assume 'flat earther' isn't complimentary so can you just stick to the point?

When do the media stop the debate on immigration? You've literally supplied a link to a video where people are discussing immigration and three links to newspaper articles discussing immigration. How is the debate being shut down?

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 5.22pm)

 

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Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 5.12pm

You are inventive with the truth, i'll give you that. You have constantly blamed immigrants so don't even try that one. I'm also happy for people to read these posts, although i'm thinking that most 'commentators' (??? Yes, i'm sure the'll be an editorial in The Times) will have been bored by your ramblings and lies and moved onto other matters.


You won't ever find a post of me actually blaming immigrants themselves for the issues I complain about.

That's because I don't blame them....Shall I say that again. I don't blame immigrants for doing what is best for them. That is simple human nature.

I blame politicians of these policies.

I can't be much clearer than that.....But I suppose if you are convinced that I'm a liar there isn't much point continuing to debate with you.

It's going around in circles.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Apr 2015 5.19pm

Quote ghosteagle at 06 Apr 2015 5.12pm

You are inventive with the truth, i'll give you that. You have constantly blamed immigrants so don't even try that one. I'm also happy for people to read these posts, although i'm thinking that most 'commentators' (??? Yes, i'm sure the'll be an editorial in The Times) will have been bored by your ramblings and lies and moved onto other matters.


You won't ever find a post of me actually blaming immigrants themselves for the issues I complain about.

That's because I don't blame them....Shall I say that again. I don't blame immigrants for doing what is best for them. That is simple human nature.

I blame politicians of these policies.

I can't be much clearer than that.....But I suppose if you are convinced that I'm a liar there isn't much point continuing to debate with you.

It's going around in circles.

Yes, your lies just continue go round & round. The fact that you would blame immigrants for the ills of this country just shows how outdated and irrelevant your opinion and point of view are. Seriously SS, we are not being downed by immigration, no-one is fooled by your lies and ancient views.

 

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