Before the HR, the best vocal support we had was, first, in the Holmesdale when it was all a bit lary and we had lots of surges, then when the slightly more mature noisy ones moved under the gantry in the Arthur which was my personal favourite

Standing didn't automatically generate atmosphere, the standing at the front of the Old Stand was pretty quiet.

I agree there is no doubt sitting has reduced singing. Partly because the singers can't move around and congregate together so easily.

But we have never had something like the HF when they are going strong. Even at the best of times songs would peter our much sooner. The HF has helped put SP on the map like no other club and like at no other time.

Yes, they can be juvenile. Yes, they can be bullies sometimes but I don't think they are wrong'uns. Partly it is because they aren't organised and strongly led, and that is double-edged. I was probably a bit thoughtless in my earlier days too.

They seem to have given up surprisingly easily though, after all the effort put in to date. Maybe this is a p+ssing contest with Parish.

I can only say to all parties, sort it out. You know you want to. And when it works, my goodness does it works.

Edited by Mapletree (01 Aug 2018 6.40pm)

I read a discussion on a mixed football forum a few years ago.

A Liverpool fan said that those once young
boisterous fans in the Kop are no longer young and loud, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to support the club in whatever way they see fit. However there is no room for younger boisterous fans in these stands anymore and the atmosphere has suffered as result.

Unsure if true or not, but that is what he/she said.

I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.

without prejudicing the pending prosecutions, Duckenfield has previously stated that he could not remember in any detail what he was doing in the hours before KO. A time he should have been spending familiarising himself with the stadium layout (which should have been done days before, but wasn't) in order that he could command effectively.
Duckenfield, it was also disclosed, had periods of high alcohol consumption in his police career.
If I were a betting man, I would wager a wedge on what Duckenfield was doing in the hours before KO.
He alone is responsible for the all-seater football stadiums.

Sections of fans are always going to have differences of opinion in the ways to support the team. We have an unofficial standing section for home fans, and away fans also. A library stand for those who prefer a bit of decorum,.etc,etc

The HF have been awesome, and indeed got some national press coverage in recent seasons.
The conflict only arises when a set of fans impinge on other fans. CPFC have dome more than many other clubs in accommodation of HF activity. This in spite of a few incidents involving yoof in black.

The club have made their decisions based on customer feed-back of a proposal and financial/PR projections.
The HF reaction is really unfortunate and shows a lack of insight into how a football club is run.

Maybe the HF will re-think. Maybe they won't.

I'll be at Selhurst in a couple of weeks, wearing my very flattering black clothes, which can slightly blur my obese figure.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (01 Aug 2018 9.13pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

This thread made me think, we have had seating and standing combined at Selhurst before in both the Arthur and those with long memories the main stand too.

The standing areas (albeit not safe standing) were lower at the pitch side. Behind the standing section was a wall raising up to where the seats were.

Found an old picture online to prove the point.

If we did this in every block along the lower Holmesdale people could sit, stand and sing wherever they want and everyone would be happy.

If we had the safe standing at the back of each block behind pitch side seating we wouldn't even need a wall

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I suspect lots of us would like to swap seats and sit in another part of the ground,but we wouldn't expect the people who sit in our prefered seats to be moved to accommodate us.
I've changed seat in the past when the one I preferred became available.But I didn't throw a wobbly when I didn't get what I wanted straight away.
Grow HF you're really no more entitled than any other Palace fan.