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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 20 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Truly embarrassing when people trot out this shyte. Yes it is. If you mean that you are writing "shyte"! We have every right to have a say that our country doesn’t slowly become Middle Eastern/African in every way they want and will make it given the chance. Some zones aren’t and won’t slowly become such areas, it’s happening very quickly. That tells you what people really think when they’re not spewing out hypocritical garbage you have. They all move, including you. Of course you have a right to have a say. Just as I and everyone else does. That's why we have a Parliamentary democracy. All I ever hear from you are moans but no remotely practical solutions. Many of the people you regard as immigrants are now British citizens, or already have settled or pre-settled status. You cannot just chuck out such people. They are as entitled as everyone else to bring their family members to be with them. A points based system may well reduce immigration numbers for work reasons (although I doubt it too) but it cannot touch the family route without significant international implications. You lot talk as though this stuff has been decided and we must get in line with the agenda or be ignored. It's not a question of it being "decided". It's just being practical and realistic. We are where we are and not where you would prefer us to be. So we need to find ways to deal with any issues we see and insist that everyone abides not just by the law but respects our culture too. It can be done. It just needs a firm and determined approach. Hypocrites. Everyone knows a new one , daily. Edit: the new one is being told it isn’t our country. Good luck going oversees and telling people that it isn’t their country. We’re a joke being steered by jokers. Sorry. Idiots. Of course it's our country. The key word being "our" and not just "my". Every British citizen, from whatever background, is part of "our". Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Mar 2020 9.37pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Mar 20 11.10pm |
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Truro should be nice again tomorrow. Respects our culture too. Pfffft. What about respects us.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 20 12.06am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Truro should be nice again tomorrow. Respects our culture too. Pfffft. What about respects us. Everybody should respect everybody else. Provided they abide by the law, keep the peace and don't interfere with anyone else's life.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 12 Mar 20 3.56am |
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If the photos of the crowds of refugees show a 99% male bias....
Or should we see it for the lies it really is ?
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| dannyboy1978 12 Mar 20 7.06am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The old baloney is entirely yours. Who do you define as "the original population"? Beaker people? Anglo Saxons? Celts? Saxons? Vikings? Or is the real criteria that they must have "white" skins and be notional Christians? Actually the "original population" all had dark skins! There is not the slightest chance of immigrants outnumbering the "original" population. They all died out thousands of years ago. So is your real criteria those who are born here and aren't Muslim? People have arrived for centuries with different cultures and taken time to adjust and assimilate. New arrivals have usually faced racist attitudes and isolationism but eventually these have dissipated. Look at the waves of West Indians and then the Indians from Africa. We now face a particular challenge which necessitates a particularly thoughtful response. As there is no other realistic option it's not just the best answer. It's the only answer. What the poster is saying is the modern population that made Britain what Britain is today with its laws, culture and atmosphere. Dilute what we have with cultures from around the world then we loose what made Britain great.
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| Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 20 7.33am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
What the poster is saying is the modern population that made Britain what Britain is today with its laws, culture and atmosphere. Dilute what we have with cultures from around the world then we loose what made Britain great. I'm not so sure that's true as much of "what made Britain great" has changed without the help of immigrants. 80 years ago when Europe was in danger Brits queued up to fight the menace and many millions gave their lives to keep Britain free. Can you see that happening now as if that were to happen nowadays all we would see would be thousands of people complaining about it on social media. The dumbing down of British society is something that we have managed to do all on our own
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Mar 20 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I'm not so sure that's true as much of "what made Britain great" has changed without the help of immigrants. 80 years ago when Europe was in danger Brits queued up to fight the menace and many millions gave their lives to keep Britain free. Can you see that happening now as if that were to happen nowadays all we would see would be thousands of people complaining about it on social media. The dumbing down of British society is something that we have managed to do all on our own Plus you’d get millions refusing to serve Britain, ‘their’ lol country because of religion or that the opposition follows the same religion. There won’t be any wars that require all of Britain’s males to enlist so that expected response won’t happen.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Mar 20 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I'm not so sure that's true as much of "what made Britain great" has changed without the help of immigrants. 80 years ago when Europe was in danger Brits queued up to fight the menace and many millions gave their lives to keep Britain free. Can you see that happening now as if that were to happen nowadays all we would see would be thousands of people complaining about it on social media. The dumbing down of British society is something that we have managed to do all on our own Would you lay down your life for your country. Only to have a newcomer replace you in your family bed ? Cos that never happened in the last big war ?
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| Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 20 10.48am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
As I said "The dumbing down of British society is something that we have managed to do all on our own" The so called "British way of life" that people refer to is just a distant memory and it has very little to do with immigration
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| Stirlingsays 12 Mar 20 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
As I said "The dumbing down of British society is something that we have managed to do all on our own" The so called "British way of life" that people refer to is just a distant memory and it has very little to do with immigration I can't even begin to state how wrong that is.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 20 10.55am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
What the poster is saying is the modern population that made Britain what Britain is today with its laws, culture and atmosphere. Dilute what we have with cultures from around the world then we loose what made Britain great. We have accepted other cultures for centuries. They haven't so much as diluted ours as enriched it. Today we face a particularly challenging situation but that doesn't mean we give up, pull up the draw bridge and retreat into our castle ready to repel any who wish to destroy us. To do that would leave us in isolation and unable to manage ourselves. We engage. We explain and then we demand. We have the strength to insist that everybody follows our laws and respects our culture. We don't compromise over what we will accept. There is far too much talk of a minority becoming the majority. It's scaremongering nonsense and won't happen whatever we do but there is no reason at all why it should even be a minor problem in a generation's time from now. We just need to work at it. People aren't born either Christian or Muslim. They acquire that from their family and community environment. When I was a kid my own family and community accepted the Christian faith without question. I was a choirboy and server myself. Now that has changed because society has changed. People question things. They are encouraged at school to question things. Exactly the same can, and hopefully will, happen to the incoming communities. Give people time. Give them the education and allow them to experience our culture. Bring them to Selhurst (or wherever) and become one of us. We need though to work with this and not against it, as so many here seem to want to.
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beak  croydon 12 Mar 20 11.08am |
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Originally posted by W12
(....and Tories) What is the difference between Nation and Country? If division is bad, why is diversity good? If a country’s division/diversity is a strength, is national unity a weakness? Can you have socialism without national unity? How will the European People be treated when they are the minority in Europe? Who has the power to turn mass immigration on and off, the bankers or the workers? How do bankers and property owners benefit from mass immigration, and how do struggling native workers who wish to buy a home to start a family benefit from mass immigration? Which group benefits the most? If mass immigration hurt bankers and property owners instead of hurting workers and families, how long do you think it would take for mass immigration to stop? Why should we want or expect Equal Outcomes, when difference, hierarchy, unequal outcomes, and inequality, are natural side effects of the reality of uniqueness? Is it not true that when people are both free and unique, outcomes will differ? Which are you willing to do away with; freedom, uniqueness, or both? Is there any measurable evidence in physical reality for equality of any kind? Is the theory of evolution based on everyone being equal and the same, or on difference & inequality & the hierarchy of the fittest? If being divided with diversity is a strength, and being united as a people makes you weak, then is it true: the less we have in common the more we get along? Is man a part of nature, or apart from nature? Does life have a biological foundation, or not? If half the people are below average intelligence, how can democracy produce anything other than mediocrity? What can we do to limit the impact of this? If diseased, deformed, below average IQ people outbreed healthy, well-formed, intelligent people for a few hundred or thousand years, what will the future look like? Is [Forced Diversity + Forced Equality + Unintegrated MultiCultures + Unstoppable Mass Immigration + Democracy] the recipe for sustainable long term peace & stability? Or is it the recipe for unsustainable decline, conflict & disintegration? Does multiculturalism solve more problems than it creates? What problems does it solve? What problems are solved by importing non-western multi-cultures into the western world? Was Aristotle correct, that democracy is only possible within homogeneous ethnic groups because despots always reign over highly fragmented societies? Will mass immigration into western countries and communities bring peace & stability or conflict & dis-integration? Which is more important for a healthy society: racial and ethnic diversity, or high social trust? Which is more important for a country: sustainable self-sufficiency or globalism? Do above average individuals and below average individuals exist, or does equality exist? Does man complete woman, or does woman complete man? Is it reasonable or evil for a woman to want her great-granddaughters to look and think like her? Which is a greater measure of success for a society: economic growth, or the number of new families formed? Is massive immigration into western countries from non-Western countries sustainable or unsustainable? There are only 4 million Irish in Ireland — but 1.2 billion Africans in Africa, 1.4 billion Chinese in China, and 1.4 billion Indians in India — why then are Africans, Chinese and Indians who’re moving to Ireland called “minorities”? When should mass immigration into the West stop; soon or never? There are 10 million Swedish People in Sweden; if 10 million non-Swedes move to Sweden, what will we call it then? Due to mass migration and birthrate pressure, the native British are due to become a minority in Britain this century – why is this good for the British? Why is diversity being forced upon all white-majority countries and only white-majority countries? If a diversity of tribes in the same geographic space is a strength, why does it require so much time, energy, money, and force, to implement and manage? Can your country have both open borders and a welfare state, or can you only pick one? Is mass immigration having a negative impact on the unity and cohesion of your nation? What percentage of Latvia’s population should be of the Latvian ethnic group? Why do you think the mainstream media didn’t report on the 257 bombings in Sweden that occurred during 2019, compared to the 0 in Poland and 0 in Hungary? Why do you think we never hear about the 9.2 million African slaves living enslaved in Africa today? As a H2O water molecule is to an ocean, what is the smallest possible unit of society: Is the individual a miniature version of society, or is the family unit a miniature version of society? What is the difference between being nice and being kind, and which is more important? I joined for football talk mainly Palace, perhaps an evening out on Question Time might be your thing!
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