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 Hrolf The Ganger  09 Jun 17 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
and Catholics being murdered and injured on British soil by organisations linked to the DUP (who May has to beg for help)doesn't concern you? What a surprise. Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country.
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johnno42000  09 Jun 17 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country. There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable.
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Jun 17 1.42pm |
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Conservatives, lady pm , rows over Europe and now Ireland involved. Might do a home perm and put some shoulder pads in my jacket. All hurtled backwards about 35 years .
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
No they were not. Sinn Fein were the IRA, the DUP were not the Protestant terror groups. Yes, it is true the Protestants did not attack the British mainland or kill British soldier, Sinn Fein/IRA did.
Sinn Fein wasn't the IRA, it was the political wing of the IRA. The UDA had the same relationship with the UVF and UFF, and the DUP were part of the UDA. We're just less honest about it. And no it doesn't make you better if you just killed Irish Catholics, rather than the British Army - You're still in the business of murder. And for what? The British Army didn't need their assistance. Probably not worth looking at the role of Loyalist groups in the burning out of Catholics that started the whole f**king 30 year nightmare. The IRA were never going to win. The loyalist terrorism wasn't necessary.
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europalace  Europe 09 Jun 17 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I don't hate foreigners or young people - I do hate the EU though.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable. It is simply untrue to say that the DUP and Sinn Fein share the same history of violence. May is negotiating a political coalition, why is that unbelievable.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which is my point. The DUP are terrorist sympathisers, but its ok because they're 'our kind of terrorist sympathisers'. We don't agree with you. The IRA killed more than double what the Loyalists did. The loyalists didn't target the British state. Sure we do err on the side of those not attacking us. Anyone who killed an innocent is a murderer independent of what side they were on.....Personally those who murdered...outside of active IRA operations.... worsened the sh1t sandwich not bettered it But your equivalence is not something I or plenty of others will accept. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 1.49pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country. I get where you're coming from, to me, the threat of the PIRA was always real. The likes of the UVF was far off. But I'm capable of empathy with how innocent Catholic civilians feel the same way about the UVF as I do about the Provisional IRA. Probably worse, given that proximity. Incidentally Lenny Murphy of the UVF did kill a Ulster Police Officer (who as affiliated with the UVF).
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
yeah, of course. Yeah, with a vengeance - because of the widespread misery it has caused, not only in Europe, but in Africa too.
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| europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Yeah, with a vengeance - because of the widespread misery it has caused, not only in Europe, but in Africa too. 27 bad countries and 1 good country. yep, great logic.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 1.49pm |
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Can't anyone on the right see the irony in a coalition with the DUP? In 2008, I seem to remember the Tories making a "fuss" when Gordon Brown was supported by the DUP solely over the extension to a 42 day detention order. The Tories voted against the idea.
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| johnno42000 09 Jun 17 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It is simply untrue to say that the DUP and Sinn Fein share the same history of violence. May is negotiating a political coalition, why is that unbelievable. It is not untrue at all. They had very strong links with the protestant paramilitaries who happily killed and maimed people.
Edited by johnno42000 (09 Jun 2017 1.51pm)
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