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est1905 Flag 16 Aug 21 5.01pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

I do find it hilariously funny reading some of these negative comments.
A few weeks ago people were coming on here dreaming of a top 6 finish because, wait for it, we've made some good signings and we've had a good pre season.
Now, let me get this straight. We are rebuilding our team, the new players we have signed are unlikely to be up to speed yet on what PV wants from them, many of the players we would have liked to have played were unavailable so it was a weak team, Under instruction from the owners we are trying to change the way we play. Finally, we were playing and got beaten (not humiliated) by the current Champions of Europe, holders of the Super Cup and second favourites to lift the Premiership title.
And some on here really believe PV deserves to be heavily criticized and/or even under pressure to keep his job?
Are you idiots that believe this for real?
Its like employing a new driver in a Formula 1 race, sticking him in a Ford Mondeo and saying he deserves the sack when he comes last just because we've forked out for 4 new tyres. Joke embarrassment fans. I use the term fans loosely. If you supported the team unconditionally instead of unrealistic expectations we'd all be pulling together and become a force to be reckoned with.

 

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Kant Flag exeter 16 Aug 21 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Kant Add Kant as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

I do find it hilariously funny reading some of these negative comments.
A few weeks ago people were coming on here dreaming of a top 6 finish because, wait for it, we've made some good signings and we've had a good pre season.
Now, let me get this straight. We are rebuilding our team, the new players we have signed are unlikely to be up to speed yet on what PV wants from them, many of the players we would have liked to have played were unavailable so it was a weak team, Under instruction from the owners we are trying to change the way we play. Finally, we were playing and got beaten (not humiliated) by the current Champions of Europe, holders of the Super Cup and second favourites to lift the Premiership title.
And some on here really believe PV deserves to be heavily criticized and/or even under pressure to keep his job?
Are you idiots that believe this for real?
Its like employing a new driver in a Formula 1 race, sticking him in a Ford Mondeo and saying he deserves the sack when he comes last just because we've forked out for 4 new tyres. Joke embarrassment fans. I use the term fans loosely. If you supported the team unconditionally instead of unrealistic expectations we'd all be pulling together and become a force to be reckoned with.

In fairness to this forum the vast majority of posters have adopted a mature, balanced and supportive position. Losing our first game 3-0 is naturally going to spark debate among fans on a platform specifically designed to promote debate. It doesn’t make us bad fans.

Interestingly, Danny Kelly on tonight’s show questioned PV’s decision to call for more signings. It wasn’t that he disagreed with ‘Pat’ that more players were needed, but that he came out and said so publicly.

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 16 Aug 21 10.14pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I think we need to cut PV a bit of slack, it was his first game, and against the European champions so no real shame in a defeat. A few lessons that I think were pretty clear:

Against the top teams we need to set up differently. Wilf doesn’t get enough of the ball upfront, and a midfield of 2 gets overrun. I don’t want us to play for a stalemate, but against the best I’d like to see Wilf on the wing, and Ayew (Eze when fit) sat in behind Benteke to help the midfield boys out). I wouldn’t even be adverse to 3 CB’s to give us a more solid base.

Ayew is a good player, but he needs to play centrally. He offers very little on the wing.

Wilf might get slightly more goals upfront, but he’s just not a striker. He is at his best when he has space to run into and can take people on. Playing with back to goal doesn’t really give him the chance to do that very often. He is vitally important to help with the transition.

Mateta isn’t really showing us much at the min, not an easy game for him, but still isn’t making any real meaningful contributions.

Jairo still hasn’t convinced me that he has the energy to be a CM in the prem. He always seams to be slightly off the pace. Needs runners around him to help him out.

Not sure I agree here. When was the last time Wilf took on a decent defender 1v1 and beat them? He more often turns around and passes it back these days. He's lost pace and he knows it. What he can do is a piece of skill or a nice touch to give him the space to shoot. So for me, he's worth persisting with up front.

 

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CT Charlie Flag 17 Aug 21 6.06am Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

What PV said was irresponsible unless he knows that the Club is close to signing someone OR at least that Dougie and Steve are serious enough about it to be willing to trade, say, Wilf. Would a club like Nice, say, agree to give us Dolberg provided we give them Wilf? Perhaps both clubs would be better off. (I say this as a big fan of Wilf's, yet one who worries that he may not remain happy and productive here.)

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 21 8.21am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CT Charlie

What PV said was irresponsible unless he knows that the Club is close to signing someone

Why is it irresponsible? When asked the question should he have lied, waffled about nothing in particular or just said "I'm sure that Steve and Doug are working hard" just as Hodgson used to do

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Aug 21 9.10am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I think PV said a couple of interesting things at the weekend. Both of which he's perfectly entitled to say, and both of which I think are accurate.

The first being that the young players that he named in the squad on Saturday aren't ready for that level of football yet on a regular basis.

Second being the need to sign more players - that are ready and can immediately compete at Premier League level.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Aug 21 9.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think PV said a couple of interesting things at the weekend. Both of which he's perfectly entitled to say, and both of which I think are accurate.

The first being that the young players that he named in the squad on Saturday aren't ready for that level of football yet on a regular basis.

Second being the need to sign more players - that are ready and can immediately compete at Premier League level.

I concur with these sentiments.

Viera answered questions with honesty and sincerity and never resorted to bland platitudes. Exceedingly refreshing.I tip my hat.

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 17 Aug 21 9.30am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

PV wasn't asked about the make up of the squad, he was asked specifically about the team's performance, he instead said that new players were still needed - he could have been more tactful and mentioned that many of the new buys (and others like Eze) were unavailable or not up to speed fitness wise. So I'd agree with Danny Kelly that it was strange to emphasise lack of players when PV has been so well backed so far. There is a strong suggestion in his words that the players he has can't play the way he thinks the game should be played. I didn't seem the game but Simon Jordan tried to be diplomatic on Talksport yesterday but gave his honest view that it was the worst performance he'd seen in years from a Palace side, we lacked quality, effort and ambition acc to SJ. I'll be backing PV all the way - he needs to be given till Christmas before he is seriously judged imho, but I was a little perturbed by his comments.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Viera answered questions with honesty and sincerity and never resorted to bland platitudes.

As a matter of interest why is our present manager just plain "Vieira" when our previous manager was "Mr Hodgson"?

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Aug 21 9.41am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

PV wasn't asked about the make up of the squad, he was asked specifically about the team's performance, he instead said that new players were still needed - he could have been more tactful and mentioned that many of the new buys (and others like Eze) were unavailable or not up to speed fitness wise. So I'd agree with Danny Kelly that it was strange to emphasise lack of players when PV has been so well backed so far. There is a strong suggestion in his words that the players he has can't play the way he thinks the game should be played. I didn't seem the game but Simon Jordan tried to be diplomatic on Talksport yesterday but gave his honest view that it was the worst performance he'd seen in years from a Palace side, we lacked quality, effort and ambition acc to SJ. I'll be backing PV all the way - he needs to be given till Christmas before he is seriously judged imho, but I was a little perturbed by his comments.

In my humble opinion he was highlighting what we supporters know only too well.We are a work-in-progress, we need a facelift and there are gaps in the squad which need filling.

I applaud such honesty rather than listen to mealy-mouthed comments and hives of platitudinous gibberish swarming out.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Aug 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As a matter of interest why is our present manager just plain "Vieira" when our previous manager was "Mr Hodgson"?

I was taught to honour my elders when it is deserved.

Now go back to your cornflakes Mr Midlands Eagle.

 

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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 17 Aug 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

PV wasn't asked about the make up of the squad, he was asked specifically about the team's performance, he instead said that new players were still needed - he could have been more tactful and mentioned that many of the new buys (and others like Eze) were unavailable or not up to speed fitness wise. So I'd agree with Danny Kelly that it was strange to emphasise lack of players when PV has been so well backed so far. There is a strong suggestion in his words that the players he has can't play the way he thinks the game should be played. I didn't seem the game but Simon Jordan tried to be diplomatic on Talksport yesterday but gave his honest view that it was the worst performance he'd seen in years from a Palace side, we lacked quality, effort and ambition acc to SJ. I'll be backing PV all the way - he needs to be given till Christmas before he is seriously judged imho, but I was a little perturbed by his comments.

This true - yet its still 'only' 3 new additions/ players (not inc Mattews as we'll never see him). He is right to say we still need more players. He would be a fool not to think that. We are still very short in the squad imo. People will try to make comment and find fault on everything these days.

 

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