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bubble wrap  Carparks in South East London 06 Dec 16 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
This is what was reported in the media but this wasn't the case.Of course there was concern about results but as I mentioned the 'Board' were going to be very patient and that he would be given the time to revive our fortunes. I appreciate this is not good news for the 'Anti-Pardew' faction on HOL. Trolly give it up, how many times are you going to repeat that same s***. Fact is had we had been beaten by Southampton the pressure would have yanked up another notch, if we lose our next few games then Parish will be under huge pressure to sack Pardew.Trust me if things dont improve he will be gone Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2016 5.29pm)
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| Inapickle South West 06 Dec 16 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
You are joking - a fine job - really? ..klopp is having something similar from some of his players, or do you feel he is also shit.
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 Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Dec 16 10.46pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
You have proof of this? Or is it just speculation? Pure speculation. Pure speculation. You don't just unluckily lose umpteen games for 11 months and a team strong at the back turn into a soft touch. It has gone wrong because whoever was doing it isn't here any more or whoever is doing it isn't doing it very well. And where is super al when defensive drills are practiced? It's come out that a couple of the players decided to take it to Pardew enough wasn't being done or achieved on defending and took control of defending on Friday before Southampton, and that's after the management failed at the same before Swansea. Do you not think if we lost to Southampton, maybe a win or God forbid a draw or less at hull and the expected feck all vs the cream of the league that Pardews neck would be on the line? Radio chat or not, after Southampton incidentally, the pressure would've been on. That is why the atmosphere was so muted v Southampton. Everybody knew how big a game it was for us and how pivotal it could be. Edited by Rudi Hedman (07 Dec 2016 8.52am)
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rossboss29  Portsmouth 07 Dec 16 2.34am |
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Absolutley shocking that it took over 6 games for pardew to realise kelly at left back is killing us
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Dec 16 8.59am |
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Originally posted by rossboss29
Absolutley shocking that it took over 6 games for pardew to realise kelly at left back is killing us Yep. And shocking there is no natural stand in with only Fryers he's willing to play 20 mins here and there. 6 defenders plus Fryers. Tut bl00dy tut. I don't know if it's Parish or both of them responsible for this but they experienced this from January onwards at def mid and still there we bring in Flamini. And there was an issue at striker and we bring in Remy. There are some serious recruitment errors. Southampton have a few of their possible signings scouted/monitored for 2 years. We take players with injury problems or months from retirement at the eleventh hour.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Dec 16 11.02am |
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Originally posted by monkey
Good shout willo, I've read bollox like he's lost the dressing room, which is clearly not true,we're competitive in every game, no-ones given us a good hiding!! we just needed to stop the flow of goals against, which at least the swansea game forced the issue!! I don't think it is clearly not true at all. Yes they show a fighting spirit, but Pardew has been saying they've been working on set pieces and defending for weeks. If he still had the respect and command of the dressing room then they would be taking on his instructions better. It's one good result. After a string of bad results, which were mostly the result of bad defending at set pieces and basic errors. Despite the fact Pardew had on more than one occasion said that had been the focus of their week's training. There's clearly still a desire to play football (although you've picked out comebacks against 3 of the worst defensive sides in the division) but one game against an under-performing Soton side who gifted us a two goal lead does not mean he still has the dressing room, or he isn't (rightly) under very intense pressure.
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| spartakev2 Anerley 07 Dec 16 11.11am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I don't think it is clearly not true at all. Yes they show a fighting spirit, but Pardew has been saying they've been working on set pieces and defending for weeks. If he still had the respect and command of the dressing room then they would be taking on his instructions better. It's one good result. After a string of bad results, which were mostly the result of bad defending at set pieces and basic errors. Despite the fact Pardew had on more than one occasion said that had been the focus of their week's training. There's clearly still a desire to play football (although you've picked out comebacks against 3 of the worst defensive sides in the division) but one game against an under-performing Soton side who gifted us a two goal lead does not mean he still has the dressing room, or he isn't (rightly) under very intense pressure. My view (which may be total b****x) is that the team were so fed up with APS tactics and lack of defensive training, that they confronted him, took over the training and the determination and fight they showed sat was to prove a point to him, rather than play 'for' him. As I say, could be wrong....
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Dec 16 11.21am |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
My view (which may be total b****x) is that the team were so fed up with APS tactics and lack of defensive training, that they confronted him, took over the training and the determination and fight they showed sat was to prove a point to him, rather than play 'for' him. As I say, could be wrong.... There's an element of confirmation bias. I can understand why someone seeing the team coming back from 3-1 down, 2-0 down, etc would be enough to make people believe he still has the dressing room and the players are playing for him. And other than a couple of games this season it is also fair to say we haven't been massively out of most of them. But I can't see how a team that are fully behind their manager could be making the sort of basic errors and failing to correct the defensive issues that have blighted the last couple of months.
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| Aray South London 07 Dec 16 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
There's an element of confirmation bias. I can understand why someone seeing the team coming back from 3-1 down, 2-0 down, etc would be enough to make people believe he still has the dressing room and the players are playing for him. And other than a couple of games this season it is also fair to say we haven't been massively out of most of them. But I can't see how a team that are fully behind their manager could be making the sort of basic errors and failing to correct the defensive issues that have blighted the last couple of months. Good point about confirmation bias. But that's inherently a problem with this type of analysis. To answer your last point it is easily explained if the manager hasn't picked the right back line AND has failed to establish a good defensive system after tinkering with it and suffering a key injury.
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| The Dolphin 08 Dec 16 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Inapickle
..klopp is having something similar from some of his players, or do you feel he is also shit. A little difficult to compare Liverpool and Klopp to Palace and Pardew?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Dec 16 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Leaving aside all the "Trolley" hogwash, I categorically stated that Pardew would still be in situ even if we lost to Swansea and I maintain he would still be in situ even if Southampton had beaten us.
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 Bill Glazier Mitcham 08 Dec 16 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
A little difficult to compare Liverpool and Klopp to Palace and Pardew?
And your SP who do you want Managing for the Long Term ?
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