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PatrickA London 23 Aug 18 2.21pm
Roy plays 4-4-2 which requires two mobile runners up front. It’s why we had some joy playing with Zaha and Townsend up top last season. Benteke just does not suit this way of playing. He was at his most effective at Villa in a 4-3-3 with fast runners either side and lots of crosses coming in.. Ayew is the best option in the current system.
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PatrickA

London 23 Aug 18 2.21pm

Roy plays 4-4-2 which requires two mobile runners up front.
It’s why we had some joy playing with Zaha and Townsend up top last season.
Benteke just does not suit this way of playing.
He was at his most effective at Villa in a 4-3-3 with fast runners either side and lots of crosses coming in..
Ayew is the best option in the current system.

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IMpalace London 23 Aug 18 2.41pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Roy plays 4-4-2 which requires two mobile runners up front. It’s why we had some joy playing with Zaha and Townsend up top last season. Benteke just does not suit this way of playing. He was at his most effective at Villa in a 4-3-3 with fast runners either side and lots of crosses coming in.. Ayew is the best option in the current system. Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2. Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal.
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IMpalace

London 23 Aug 18 2.41pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2.
Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal.

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JRW2 Dulwich 23 Aug 18 2.55pm
Originally posted by IMpalace Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2. Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal. I don't want to knock him any more, but why does he never seem to be in the right position in front of goal?
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JRW2

Dulwich 23 Aug 18 2.55pm

Originally posted by IMpalace

I don't want to knock him any more, but why does he never seem to be in the right position in front of goal?

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spartakev2 Anerley 23 Aug 18 2.57pm
Originally posted by IMpalace Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2. Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal. So how many more games does he get to regain his confidence? Or will you be happy at the end of thd season if he's played reasonably well, but only scored 3 goals again.
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spartakev2

Anerley 23 Aug 18 2.57pm

Originally posted by IMpalace

So how many more games does he get to regain his confidence? Or will you be happy at the end of thd season if he's played reasonably well, but only scored 3 goals again.

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PatrickA London 23 Aug 18 3.34pm
My point is not an anti-Benteke one. I just don’t think he suits the system played by the team. Furthermore, Roy still used Zaha and Townsend up front together at the end of the season even when Benteke was fit.
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PatrickA

London 23 Aug 18 3.34pm

My point is not an anti-Benteke one.
I just don’t think he suits the system played by the team.
Furthermore, Roy still used Zaha and Townsend up front together at the end of the season even when Benteke was fit.

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IMpalace London 23 Aug 18 4.54pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 So how many more games does he get to regain his confidence? Or will you be happy at the end of thd season if he's played reasonably well, but only scored 3 goals again. Not saying we should wait, just saying the suggestion that Roy has a system in place designed for two quick, mobile players is obviously not the case given he plays a striker who doesn't score every week because he can hold the ball up. Roy obviously believes that the system needs a "big man" Believe me, I'm as frustrated about his inability to score a goal as everyone else, however, until we have a player who can hold the ball up and win headers like he does (Sortloth or Wickham?), then I imagine Roy will keep him in the team. Edited by IMpalace (23 Aug 2018 4.55pm)
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IMpalace

London 23 Aug 18 4.54pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

So how many more games does he get to regain his confidence? Or will you be happy at the end of thd season if he's played reasonably well, but only scored 3 goals again.

Not saying we should wait, just saying the suggestion that Roy has a system in place designed for two quick, mobile players is obviously not the case given he plays a striker who doesn't score every week because he can hold the ball up. Roy obviously believes that the system needs a "big man"

Believe me, I'm as frustrated about his inability to score a goal as everyone else, however, until we have a player who can hold the ball up and win headers like he does (Sortloth or Wickham?), then I imagine Roy will keep him in the team.

Edited by IMpalace (23 Aug 2018 4.55pm)

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Mstrobez 23 Aug 18 6.04pm
Originally posted by IMpalace Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2. Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal. Not true. To begin with maybe, but towards the end of last season, Wilf & Townsend featured together a few times even when Benteke was fit. And at times they were devastating as a pair. I agree, and always have, pretty much completely with what others have said regarding Benteke. He is by no means a bad player, and if you take away your anger for his poor scoring record in recent times and actually watch him play, he does contribute a hell of a lot more to a game than some would have you believe. He’s a target man, but an intelligent one, he’s not so much about brute power & strength, more movement & height, and his link up play is fantastic at times. However, as others have also pointed out, the problem for me personally is he just does not fit the system that Roy plays. His system is one of high intensity, and we always look more dangerous playing under Roy when we bring the ball down and look to play. It’s just not his game and never has been, he is what he is. That doesn’t mean Benteke is s***, he could join an Allardyce style team tomorrow and I guarantee he’d be banging goals in for fun. I just don’t see how he ever fits in with our current style of play, sadly. Edited by Mstrobez (23 Aug 2018 6.09pm) We're the Arthur over ere!
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Mstrobez

23 Aug 18 6.04pm

Originally posted by IMpalace

Why does it require two "mobile runners"? Roy has made clear he wants a big man up top in his 4-4-2.
Townsend only played up front when Benteke was injured. I actually think Benteke has been playing reasonably well with hold up play, has just lost all confidence in front of goal.

Not true. To begin with maybe, but towards the end of last season, Wilf & Townsend featured together a few times even when Benteke was fit. And at times they were devastating as a pair.

I agree, and always have, pretty much completely with what others have said regarding Benteke. He is by no means a bad player, and if you take away your anger for his poor scoring record in recent times and actually watch him play, he does contribute a hell of a lot more to a game than some would have you believe. He’s a target man, but an intelligent one, he’s not so much about brute power & strength, more movement & height, and his link up play is fantastic at times.

However, as others have also pointed out, the problem for me personally is he just does not fit the system that Roy plays. His system is one of high intensity, and we always look more dangerous playing under Roy when we bring the ball down and look to play. It’s just not his game and never has been, he is what he is. That doesn’t mean Benteke is s***, he could join an Allardyce style team tomorrow and I guarantee he’d be banging goals in for fun. I just don’t see how he ever fits in with our current style of play, sadly.

Edited by Mstrobez (23 Aug 2018 6.09pm)

We're the Arthur over ere!

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pssguy 25 Aug 18 4.05pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Wilf & Townsend featured together a few times even when Benteke was fit. And at times they were devastating as a pair. Edited by Mstrobez (23 Aug 2018 6.09pm) Really? Townsend scored twice in the league last season; both in games we lost If they want to try a more mobile forward alongside Zaha then Ayew is the obvious choice
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pssguy

25 Aug 18 4.05pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Wilf & Townsend featured together a few times even when Benteke was fit. And at times they were devastating as a pair.

Edited by Mstrobez (23 Aug 2018 6.09pm)

Really? Townsend scored twice in the league last season; both in games we lost

If they want to try a more mobile forward alongside Zaha then Ayew is the obvious choice

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TheExpatEagle 25 Aug 18 7.49pm
Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER and also the premiership's most expensive goalkeeper who made a tremendous save to keep out Benteke's header after he had out jumped Van Dyke. Have we already played Chelsea? Kepa Arrizabalaga, Athletic Bilbao to Chelsea in 2018, £71m Alisson Becker, AS Roma to Liverpool in 2018, £65m
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TheExpatEagle

25 Aug 18 7.49pm

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

and also the premiership's most expensive goalkeeper who made a tremendous save to keep out Benteke's header after he had out jumped Van Dyke.

Have we already played Chelsea?

Kepa Arrizabalaga, Athletic Bilbao to Chelsea in 2018, £71m
Alisson Becker, AS Roma to Liverpool in 2018, £65m

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 26 Aug 18 7.02am
Originally posted by TheExpatEagle Have we already played Chelsea? Kepa Arrizabalaga, Athletic Bilbao to Chelsea in 2018, £71m Alisson Becker, AS Roma to Liverpool in 2018, £65m S**t, shot down in flames just for a measly 6M
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PORTIMAO 26 Aug 18 7.02am

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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

Have we already played Chelsea?

Kepa Arrizabalaga, Athletic Bilbao to Chelsea in 2018, £71m
Alisson Becker, AS Roma to Liverpool in 2018, £65m

S**t, shot down in flames just for a measly 6M

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TheExpatEagle 26 Aug 18 3.03pm
Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER S**t, shot down in flames just for a measly 6M TBF it gets confusing when one media source quotes Euros and another pounds.
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TheExpatEagle

26 Aug 18 3.03pm

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

S**t, shot down in flames just for a measly 6M

TBF it gets confusing when one media source quotes Euros and another pounds.

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Bangell Oxford 26 Aug 18 3.26pm
Not including Wilf as a striker, we surely have the worst set of forwards in the league?
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Oxford 26 Aug 18 3.26pm

Not including Wilf as a striker, we surely have the worst set of forwards in the league?

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