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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 5.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Deportation not internment. A financial agreement struck with a country like Jordan or Egypt to take our radicals. Internment is more trouble than its worth. British law needs changing first to allow that to happen...Human rights lawyers would be all over it...But It's a question of our tolerance for violence against the citizens of our state. That's just dealing with the worst of our radicals here. We need to let the reformers control what forms of Islam are allowed in British mosques. Social conservatism has to go. Unfortunately I expect that I'll be seeing plenty more of our children and adults being murdered on our streets before a leader takes charge who will actually have the balls to do what is necessary. Problem is what constitutes deportation. Now if your convicted of a crime, deportation is an option. The second problem is, that most of the people who probably are an issue, are British Nationals. Whilst we could technically strip the nationality of someone who has been granted citizenship - its problematic to get them a 'new one' as most citizens are required to surrender dual nationality. Of course, we also can't deport people who are British Nationals by birth, even if their heritage might point to pakistan or Jordan. Egypt or Jordan won't want our radicals either, they have their own problems with their own (Egypt is staggering on the precipice of civil war). That said, if they're willing to take them, and we can find a 'just cause to deport them' then we should. Problem is, what kind of legal threshold you put down, because that then has to be kind of legally applicable to others. Now if we can include deporting the Britain First nutters to either Northern Ireland or America, then we might be onto something. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 5.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Deportation not internment. A financial agreement struck with a country like Jordan or Egypt to take our radicals.

Internment is more trouble than its worth.

British law needs changing first to allow that to happen...Human rights lawyers would be all over it...But It's a question of our tolerance for violence against the citizens of our state.

That's just dealing with the worst of our radicals here. We need to let the reformers control what forms of Islam are allowed in British mosques. Social conservatism has to go.

Unfortunately I expect that I'll be seeing plenty more of our children and adults being murdered on our streets before a leader takes charge who will actually have the balls to do what is necessary.

Problem is what constitutes deportation. Now if your convicted of a crime, deportation is an option. The second problem is, that most of the people who probably are an issue, are British Nationals. Whilst we could technically strip the nationality of someone who has been granted citizenship - its problematic to get them a 'new one' as most citizens are required to surrender dual nationality.

Of course, we also can't deport people who are British Nationals by birth, even if their heritage might point to pakistan or Jordan.

Egypt or Jordan won't want our radicals either, they have their own problems with their own (Egypt is staggering on the precipice of civil war). That said, if they're willing to take them, and we can find a 'just cause to deport them' then we should.

Problem is, what kind of legal threshold you put down, because that then has to be kind of legally applicable to others.

Now if we can include deporting the Britain First nutters to either Northern Ireland or America, then we might be onto something.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 6.21pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Problem is what constitutes deportation. Now if your convicted of a crime, deportation is an option. The second problem is, that most of the people who probably are an issue, are British Nationals. Whilst we could technically strip the nationality of someone who has been granted citizenship - its problematic to get them a 'new one' as most citizens are required to surrender dual nationality. Of course, we also can't deport people who are British Nationals by birth, even if their heritage might point to pakistan or Jordan. Egypt or Jordan won't want our radicals either, they have their own problems with their own (Egypt is staggering on the precipice of civil war). That said, if they're willing to take them, and we can find a 'just cause to deport them' then we should. Problem is, what kind of legal threshold you put down, because that then has to be kind of legally applicable to others. Now if we can include deporting the Britain First nutters to either Northern Ireland or America, then we might be onto something. Are 'Britain First' people regularly killing children or adults? Nope, so not a problem to me Whatever problems associated with deporting Islamic radicals that exist can be for the bean counters and administrators to sort out. Of course deporting radicals is one one aspect of what we need to do.....Well, that's my take on it anyway. The Islamic population is doubling roughly every ten years. It's common sense that without action this problem is going to expand not reduce. I have no doubt we have plenty more death certificates of innocents to print off first before anyone with balls actually starts looking at this. I can't see that being May and it's certainly not Corbyn. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 6.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 17 6.21pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course, we also can't deport people who are British Nationals by birth, even if their heritage might point to pakistan or Jordan.

Problem is, what kind of legal threshold you put down, because that then has to be kind of legally applicable to others.

Now if we can include deporting the Britain First nutters to either Northern Ireland or America, then we might be onto something.

Are 'Britain First' people regularly killing children or adults? Nope, so not a problem to me

Whatever problems associated with deporting Islamic radicals that exist can be for the bean counters and administrators to sort out.

Of course deporting radicals is one one aspect of what we need to do.....Well, that's my take on it anyway.

The Islamic population is doubling roughly every ten years. It's common sense that without action this problem is going to expand not reduce.

I have no doubt we have plenty more death certificates of innocents to print off first before anyone with balls actually starts looking at this.

I can't see that being May and it's certainly not Corbyn.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 6.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Jun 17 6.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are 'Britain First' people regularly killing children or adults? Nope, so not a problem to me Whatever problems associated with deporting Islamic radicals that exist can be for the bean counters and administrators to sort out. Of course deporting radicals is one one aspect of what we need to do.....Well, that's my take on it anyway. The Islamic population is doubling roughly every ten years. It's common sense that without action this problem is going to expand not reduce. I have no doubt we have plenty more death certificates of innocents to print off first before anyone with balls actually starts looking at this. I can't see that being May and it's certainly not Corbyn. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 6.24pm) I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 06 Jun 17 6.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are 'Britain First' people regularly killing children or adults? Nope, so not a problem to me

Whatever problems associated with deporting Islamic radicals that exist can be for the bean counters and administrators to sort out.

Of course deporting radicals is one one aspect of what we need to do.....Well, that's my take on it anyway.

The Islamic population is doubling roughly every ten years. It's common sense that without action this problem is going to expand not reduce.

I have no doubt we have plenty more death certificates of innocents to print off first before anyone with balls actually starts looking at this.

I can't see that being May and it's certainly not Corbyn.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 6.24pm)

I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 6.45pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have. He only says this stuff to wind people up. A man of his intelligence cannot be serious.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have.

He only says this stuff to wind people up. A man of his intelligence cannot be serious.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Jun 17 7.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger He only says this stuff to wind people up. A man of his intelligence cannot be serious. Well, he's certainly not stupid. But that comment was. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 06 Jun 17 7.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He only says this stuff to wind people up. A man of his intelligence cannot be serious.

Well, he's certainly not stupid. But that comment was.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jun 17 12.13am
[Link] Interesting article. Pretty much mirror my views. Pro USA & Israel
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Interesting article. Pretty much mirror my views.

Pro USA & Israel

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NickinOX Sailing country. 07 Jun 17 1.11am
Originally posted by Jimenez [Link] Interesting article. Pretty much mirror my views. An interesting read. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Originally posted by Jimenez

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Interesting article. Pretty much mirror my views.

An interesting read.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 07 Jun 17 2.25am
Originally posted by NickinOX An interesting read. Parts of that will draw howls of protest from some on here. Including: "While some conservative Christians might agree with that last bit, being a fundamentalist Christian doesn’t entail the same sort of beliefs and practices as being a fundamentalist Muslim—things like female genital mutilation and honor killings, both of which are on the rise in Europe."
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Pyongyang 07 Jun 17 2.25am

Originally posted by NickinOX

An interesting read.

Parts of that will draw howls of protest from some on here. Including:

"While some conservative Christians might agree with that last bit, being a fundamentalist Christian doesn’t entail the same sort of beliefs and practices as being a fundamentalist Muslim—things like female genital mutilation and honor killings, both of which are on the rise in Europe."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have. Sorry - was really part of a joke relating to a sentence I removed, about 'grounds for deporting extremists on the basis of being dumb'. And that by deporting all the religious and stupid people, such as say to America (again) could make the UK a shining and beautiful place to be. Although, they are still c**ts. Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Jun 2017 1.48pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Jun 17 1.28pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I was toying with the idea of calling Jamie out on that utterly asinine comment. I'm glad you have.

Sorry - was really part of a joke relating to a sentence I removed, about 'grounds for deporting extremists on the basis of being dumb'. And that by deporting all the religious and stupid people, such as say to America (again) could make the UK a shining and beautiful place to be.

Although, they are still c**ts.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Jun 2017 1.48pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 17 1.42pm
Originally posted by NKEagle Parts of that will draw howls of protest from some on here. Including: "While some conservative Christians might agree with that last bit, being a fundamentalist Christian doesn’t entail the same sort of beliefs and practices as being a fundamentalist Muslim—things like female genital mutilation and honor killings, both of which are on the rise in Europe." There is currently a pastor on trial presently along with five others for orchestrating a prolonged physical assault and false imprisonment of a man for being gay. A Christian Religious Man linked to White Supremists was arrested for stabbing to death two white US citizens on a train last week, who came to the aid of two Muslim women he was berating. A number of White Supremist groups also are part of the Christian Right in the US, and have utilised terrorism as part of their policy. 2015's Planned Parenthood attack was declaired by the attacker in the name of 'the Army of God' who orchestrated a series of bombings and murders around abortion in the 90s. The Hutaree and Christian Patriot movement are well armed militias who' have had association with a number of individuals, affiliated to them, who have commited acts of violence along religious sectarianism (homophobic and islamophobic). There has also been an increasing number of mass shootings in the US which have political association with Christian Fundamentalist movements. Also FGM is cultural, its practiced by Christians in African tribal areas. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Jun 17 1.42pm

Originally posted by NKEagle

Parts of that will draw howls of protest from some on here. Including:

There is currently a pastor on trial presently along with five others for orchestrating a prolonged physical assault and false imprisonment of a man for being gay.

A Christian Religious Man linked to White Supremists was arrested for stabbing to death two white US citizens on a train last week, who came to the aid of two Muslim women he was berating.

A number of White Supremist groups also are part of the Christian Right in the US, and have utilised terrorism as part of their policy.

2015's Planned Parenthood attack was declaired by the attacker in the name of 'the Army of God' who orchestrated a series of bombings and murders around abortion in the 90s.

The Hutaree and Christian Patriot movement are well armed militias who' have had association with a number of individuals, affiliated to them, who have commited acts of violence along religious sectarianism (homophobic and islamophobic).

There has also been an increasing number of mass shootings in the US which have political association with Christian Fundamentalist movements.

Also FGM is cultural, its practiced by Christians in African tribal areas.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 17 1.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Deportation not internment. A financial agreement struck with a country like Jordan or Egypt to take our radicals. Internment is more trouble than its worth. British law needs changing first to allow that to happen...Human rights lawyers would be all over it...But It's a question of our tolerance for violence against the citizens of our state. That's just dealing with the worst of our radicals here. We need to let the reformers control what forms of Islam are allowed in British mosques. Social conservatism has to go. Unfortunately I expect that I'll be seeing plenty more of our children and adults being murdered on our streets before a leader takes charge who will actually have the balls to do what is necessary. Deportation under UK law would require conviction. There isn't really any way around that, except in the following scenario. Alternatively, we could declare a state of emergency (as France has in relation to Paris), under which many of the pesky human rights aspects would be suspended for Terrorism. We did this in 2001, in order to detain certain individuals indefinitely in Belmarsh. However, three or four years later, they were still there, after the state of emergency was lifted. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Jun 17 1.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Deportation not internment. A financial agreement struck with a country like Jordan or Egypt to take our radicals.

Internment is more trouble than its worth.

British law needs changing first to allow that to happen...Human rights lawyers would be all over it...But It's a question of our tolerance for violence against the citizens of our state.

That's just dealing with the worst of our radicals here. We need to let the reformers control what forms of Islam are allowed in British mosques. Social conservatism has to go.

Unfortunately I expect that I'll be seeing plenty more of our children and adults being murdered on our streets before a leader takes charge who will actually have the balls to do what is necessary.

Deportation under UK law would require conviction. There isn't really any way around that, except in the following scenario.

Alternatively, we could declare a state of emergency (as France has in relation to Paris), under which many of the pesky human rights aspects would be suspended for Terrorism.

We did this in 2001, in order to detain certain individuals indefinitely in Belmarsh. However, three or four years later, they were still there, after the state of emergency was lifted.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 2.29pm
Another day, another attack by the fascists [Link] Cue the usual response of more people get killed by their lawnmowers, it's not a significant problem etc We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 07 Jun 17 2.29pm

Another day, another attack by the fascists [Link]
Cue the usual response of more people get killed by their lawnmowers, it's not a significant problem etc

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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