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 Phil H  01 May 17 10.28am |
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I don't want the game to lose its flow but there has to be the case for each manager to have a couple of "calls" per game where a contentious decision can be checked when play next stops.
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chateauferret  01 May 17 10.30am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I really don't see myself as being "Insensitive". All I ever try and do is try to understand why decisions were/were not given and come on here to give my 'Take' on it given that I used to officate and talk to a number of officials. Of course I disagree with many on here about individual decisions but this is a forum for debate and discussion where various viewpoints add to it's value. As I say, sometimes the officials get it wrong but overall they do a darned good job in the circumstances. Your message is that it's OK for the officials to perform abysmally badly and it isn't.
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| Icepick Tony Chester 01 May 17 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I admit I never saw this sequence of events. What I will say is that assistants wait until the player in an offside position becomes 'Active' by playing the ball or going for it so maybe he was just waiting for this to happen - I don't know for sure but this is a possibility. Regards technology, do you really want the game to be stopped to analyse every such 'Offside' type decision ? All very well to call for technology but it's application is a subject of major debate.We have to get the major decisions right without interrupting the flow and very essence of the game. Video tech would have worked like a charm in this. Zaha was brought down and a quick scan of the video would show he was onside, therefore a foul and as last man, surely a red. All this could be done in under 10 seconds which is before the play has even restarted. Football is so behind in this respect, it is untrue. As for the lino flagging late, I'd put this down to, due to the nature of both throughout the game, not having a good game. You have stated the players had a bad game, not at 100% etc. as to why we didn't get the result. I accept that, hardly surprising given the games we have recently had and the injuries to boot. Most people can accept it. That being said, referees, being human, also can have bad games. Those 3 certainly did and no amount of "experience" or knowledge of their profession can detract from that. They got some big decisions wrong which could well have changed the way the game was played and the end result.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 17 10.43am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
I don't know why you have deduced that this is the "Message" I have put out. A 'Forensic' analysis of the referee's performance is carried out after each game and if it is felt that he didn't perform to the required standard in that game this will be discussed with a view to understanding the referee's perspective and to help him accordingly going forward. Referees of course have excellent games, sometimes they are not up to their usual high standard for a plethora of reasons - same for PL players. Edited by Willo (01 May 2017 10.48am)
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| chateauferret 01 May 17 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In other words, there are no meaningful consequences for officials when they deliver poor performances. So, it's OK for them to perform abysmally badly.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
In other words, there are no meaningful consequences for officials when they deliver poor performances. So, it's OK for them to perform abysmally badly.
As I added on my previous post - some referees have been demoted, just ask Stuart Attwell !
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| chateauferret 01 May 17 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Willo
As I added on my previous post - some referees have been demoted, just ask Stuart Attwell ! Yeah? Just ask Mike Dean. "Demoted" amongst big fanfares in January, put in charge of a Championship match in which he awarded a penalty for a handball clearly outside the box, and reinstated to the Premier League the following week. Don't make me laugh.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Yeah? Just ask Mike Dean. "Demoted" amongst big fanfares in January, put in charge of a Championship match in which he awarded a penalty for a handball clearly outside the box, and reinstated to the Premier League the following week. Don't make me laugh. When I talk of being "Demoted" I think of Stuart Attwell who was demoted from the 'Select Group' of referees. So referees DO get de-selected based on performance.
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| chateauferret 01 May 17 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Willo
When I talk of being "Demoted" I think of Stuart Attwell who was demoted from the 'Select Group' of referees. So referees DO get de-selected based on performance. Attwell was demoted after a four-year catalogue of dreadful performances and of course he didn't have the political clout of a Clattenburg to protect him. And in 2014 he was back.
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| peterg Anerley 01 May 17 11.08am |
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That's what they're paid to do. Yes, it's difficult, but that's their job. Yes, TV shows how refs get these tight decisions right, and all credit to them. That lino was wrong, and badly wrong, and the consequences for Palace could be dire. Stop making "excuses" for these poor "refs", "Willo". Originally posted by Willo
All looks really simple with such a "Freeze frame". You try to run the line when at pace a player is stepping out and another is running through and you will realise what a difficult job it is. And I repeat, TV has recently shown some excellent shots of some really 'Tight' calls being made correctly.
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| peterg Anerley 01 May 17 11.10am |
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You said all this once "already". The "lino" guessed and he was "wrong". Originally posted by Willo
You say "Out of position". The way the game is so fast with the constant moving up and down of the back line and the ball moving at speed, sometimes you would need to be 'Usain Bolt' to be precisely in line all of the time.I can assure you it is a very difficult job and thankfully TV has shown how many excellent 'Tight' calls are made.Of course Assistants will get it wrong from time to time but generally at this level they do a darned good job.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 17 11.12am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
So you accept that 'Demotion' does occur based on performances.And so it should. I shall treat all the 'Political clout' with derision. At the end of the day there is robust system for measuring the performances of PL referees after each and very game. Edited by Willo (01 May 2017 11.20am)
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