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taylors lovechild Flag 25 Aug 21 12.13pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Therealeaglestilidie

I was at the game. We did control a lot of the game and looked assured playing out from the back. The problem was in the final third and a lack of creativity. Gallagher was a bundle of energy again and I think he was subbed to be saved for the weekend. Zaha was glued to the touchline most of the game but when he did get it there was still something missing.
Good to see Anderson start to send those long passes out of defence like he was doing to Lookman last season.
I would have liked to see Rak-Saki given a go in the second half. The three new signings looked class. The longer the game went on without us scoring the more you feared from a break away sucker punch and in the end that how it played out.

Thanks for the write up. I can't imagine it can have been worse than our cup performances over the last few years even if we did still lose.

 

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palace chick Flag South Croydon 25 Aug 21 12.17pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

none of those players were worth keeping and were a significant financial drain. As is clear, and has been for a long time, our problem is our attacking/goalscoring and not much has changed or been lost there. We need a striker that can score at the top level. That coupled with Olise and Eze returning should sort things out somewhat

Disagree that we need a striker that can score at the top level, what we need are midfielders that can supply strikers and also midfielders that can score goals between them. Goals need to come from all over, including defenders at set plays. Yes, Benteke needs service from out wide which isn’t happening but he is a top striker in my opinion for which we rely on just him? Would have been interesting to see what Vieira would have done with Townsend? Midfielders need to open up play as well for which our one seem better defensively but not attacking wise? Let’s hope we get some quality in before the window closes.

Realise posters have picked up and disagree with me about Benteke but my main points are that we don’t have goals throughout the team, Especially midfielders. Plus the existing midfielders don’t have a split the opponents defence pass to give our forward(s) goal scoring chances. If Benteke had more than one chance a game he would stick at least one away unlike Mateta at this time. I understand we made chances for him last night and no goals resulted? Perhaps Vieira is changing things but we need goals from everyone and not just the main forward. Sadly Zaha doesn’t seem the player he was as well :-(

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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 25 Aug 21 12.26pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Disagree that we need a striker that can score at the top level, what we need are midfielders that can supply strikers and also midfielders that can score goals between them. Goals need to come from all over, including defenders at set plays. Yes, Benteke needs service from out wide which isn’t happening but he is a top striker in my opinion for which we rely on just him? Would have been interesting to see what Vieira would have done with Townsend? Midfielders need to open up play as well for which our one seem better defensively but not attacking wise? Let’s hope we get some quality in before the window closes.

You expect a striker playing for the best international team (Belgium) around, to be able to do more than heading the ball. Like, anticipate where the ball is coming low inside the box. Benteke never seem to have any clue. The sooner we get a proper striker, the better....

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Aug 21 12.39pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Disagree that we need a striker that can score at the top level, what we need are midfielders that can supply strikers and also midfielders that can score goals between them. Goals need to come from all over, including defenders at set plays. Yes, Benteke needs service from out wide which isn’t happening but he is a top striker in my opinion for which we rely on just him? Would have been interesting to see what Vieira would have done with Townsend? Midfielders need to open up play as well for which our one seem better defensively but not attacking wise? Let’s hope we get some quality in before the window closes.

Benteke has 16 league goals since the start of the 2017/18 season (4 and bit seasons).

He's played 139 games in that time.

The sooner we give up this fantasy that he's a top striker who might come good and score enough goals, the sooner we actually recruit someone who might.

An absolute joke that he's had his contract extended because he decided to pull his finger out for 5 games at the end of the year when he needed a new deal - took us to the absolute cleaners.

 

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slubglurge Flag welling 25 Aug 21 12.42pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Problem with Benteke, yes he does have something but he is a statue in the box with no movement whatsoever. Compare that with somebody like Calvert Lewin where the crosses go into space and he attacks it. CB makes it easy for defenders

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 25 Aug 21 12.49pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by thai-eagle

You expect a striker playing for the best international team (Belgium) around, to be able to do more than heading the ball. Like, anticipate where the ball is coming low inside the box. Benteke never seem to have any clue. The sooner we get a proper striker, the better....

I guess neither Benteke (or Batts for that matter) really play for the national team.

But your point is still correct, a 'top' footballer needs to have more to his game than we currently get

 

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CP81 Flag Kent 25 Aug 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to CP81 Add CP81 as a friend

Watford was another opportunity for PV to assess who he has.
It's gonna need time and patience. The next few games will be a rough ride.
But please, for the love of the Red & Blue god's, get a strike force that can hit a barn door.

 


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palace chick Flag South Croydon 25 Aug 21 1.12pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Realise posters have picked up and disagree with me about Benteke but my main points are that we don’t have goals throughout the team, Especially midfielders. Plus the existing midfielders don’t have a split the opponents defence pass to give our forward(s) goal scoring chances. If Benteke had more than one chance a game he would stick at least one away unlike Mateta at this time. I understand we made chances for him last night and no goals resulted? Perhaps Vieira is changing things but we need goals from everyone and not just the main forward. Sadly Zaha doesn’t seem the player he was as well :-(

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 25 Aug 21 1.30pm

Originally posted by palace chick

Realise posters have picked up and disagree with me about Benteke but my main points are that we don’t have goals throughout the team, Especially midfielders. Plus the existing midfielders don’t have a split the opponents defence pass to give our forward(s) goal scoring chances. If Benteke had more than one chance a game he would stick at least one away unlike Mateta at this time. I understand we made chances for him last night and no goals resulted? Perhaps Vieira is changing things but we need goals from everyone and not just the main forward. Sadly Zaha doesn’t seem the player he was as well :-(

good post, totally agree

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 25 Aug 21 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I guess neither Benteke (or Batts for that matter) really play for the national team.

But your point is still correct, a 'top' footballer needs to have more to his game than we currently get

No surprise as Lukaku is everything in a striker that they are not. Take his goal against the Arse. Held the ball up, layed it off to James who played it low across the box for him to finish. No thinking time needed, knew exactly how the play would go and where he needed to be. James showed there and on his goal how you play on the wing, albeit the defending was shocking. Push it low first, second time clear sight at goal take a shot. Unfortunately for us at the moment, service and/or movement in attack just isn't there. Hopefully (surely ?) we are looking at further options.

 


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briandavis Flag Udon Thani 25 Aug 21 1.46pm Send a Private Message to briandavis Add briandavis as a friend

I don't know about 'mentality'. We just need clinical finishers, they don't have to be pretty, just capable of hitting the net, more than the floodlights.Players who can take a far greater percentage of chances created. Hitting the target in the first place at least gives a chance of scoring.

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 25 Aug 21 2.06pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Realise posters have picked up and disagree with me about Benteke but my main points are that we don’t have goals throughout the team, Especially midfielders. Plus the existing midfielders don’t have a split the opponents defence pass to give our forward(s) goal scoring chances. If Benteke had more than one chance a game he would stick at least one away unlike Mateta at this time. I understand we made chances for him last night and no goals resulted? Perhaps Vieira is changing things but we need goals from everyone and not just the main forward. Sadly Zaha doesn’t seem the player he was as well :-(

Think part of Benteke's problem, which I have been Critical in the past, is That he does not make runs in the box and expects things to be on a plate for him. However, if he does not expect the ball to come in - which we have been guilty of in the past - then he will not make the correct run.
He needs to learn where to position himself for playing with our new midfield.. (which currently looks like our old midfield!) hopefully Olise (and eze - and even Ferguson when/if they return) will provide more of this, which CB will need to learn to be on the end of.

As for goals all over the pitc - I whoeheartedly agree. Although even with our new signings, I'm not sure we have any goalscoring midfielders? and have Anderson/Guehi ever been a threat in the opposition box ?


 


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