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View james03's Profile james03 Flag Bangkok 02 Jan 11 10.20am Send a Private Message to james03 Add james03 as a friend

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Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 9.48am

Mr. Parish came onto the boards far too quickly in my opinion and he was trying to be 'one of the boys.' Now look through every answer he gave which either (i) gave no information we really did not have already and (ii) in some cases, e.g. the squad size GB inherited, were complete rubbish.

He should have waited a day, maybe two, seen the mood of the fans, perhaps issued a well prepared statement on the boards and been prepared to answer questions then.

I am sure neither he nor Martin Long run their businesses in such a manner.

I am afraid they have lost some respect from me through this ill conceived chat which was Mr. Parish's knee jerk reaction to his earlier knee jerk reaction.

Edited by james03 (02 Jan 2011 9.48am)

While coming on here may have been a knee jerk reaction I think he made it clear that the sacking wasn't and he had been thinking for a while he had made a mistake with the original appointment.

A few other posters had said they were troubled by this being a decision made on one game.

I don't think thats the case at all.

A decision is made in and instant of time - hopefully after pros and cons have been weighed up in advance - and once the decision is made it is best to put it into effect immediately.

To find the reason why yesterday was the tipping point in the timing of the decision then In this case we need to defer to those fans who went to the game yesterday and saw a completely unacceptable performance with no fight at all in front of a passionate away support.

Personally I am surprised that this happened yesterday and thought George Burley would get more time. But watching such a performance and being about to hand over a million quid (or whatever) to the person responsible to then spend when they have turned turned down opportunities in the past couple of months to strengthen our obvious weaknesses does seem very understandable.


Not trying to pick an argument here but to understand what is going on. Parish says GB would NOT have been sacked if we had beaten Millwall, we lost so he was. To me that IS a decision based purely on one game.


 


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eaglescpfc123 Flag 02 Jan 11 10.22am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.20am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.19am

Quote mileend at 02 Jan 2011 10.13am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 9.48am

Mr. Parish came onto the boards far too quickly in my opinion and he was trying to be 'one of the boys.' Now look through every answer he gave which either (i) gave no information we really did not have already and (ii) in some cases, e.g. the squad size GB inherited, were complete rubbish.

He should have waited a day, maybe two, seen the mood of the fans, perhaps issued a well prepared statement on the boards and been prepared to answer questions then.

I am sure neither he nor Martin Long run their businesses in such a manner.

I am afraid they have lost some respect from me through this ill conceived chat which was Mr. Parish's knee jerk reaction to his earlier knee jerk reaction.

Edited by james03 (02 Jan 2011 9.48am)

While coming on here may have been a knee jerk reaction I think he made it clear that the sacking wasn't and he had been thinking for a while he had made a mistake with the original appointment.

A few other posters had said they were troubled by this being a decision made on one game.

I don't think thats the case at all.

A decision is made in and instant of time - hopefully after pros and cons have been weighed up in advance - and once the decision is made it is best to put it into effect immediately.

To find the reason why yesterday was the tipping point in the timing of the decision then In this case we need to defer to those fans who went to the game yesterday and saw a completely unacceptable performance with no fight at all in front of a passionate away support.

Personally I am surprised that this happened yesterday and thought George Burley would get more time. But watching such a performance and being about to hand over a million quid (or whatever) to the person responsible to then spend when they have turned turned down opportunities in the past couple of months to strengthen our obvious weaknesses does seem very understandable.


Not trying to pick an argument here but to understand what is going on. Parish says GB would NOT have been sacked if we had beaten Millwall, we lost so he was. To me that IS a decision based purely on one game.



that's incorrect, Parish never said that.

 


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Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.19am

Quote mileend at 02 Jan 2011 10.13am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 9.48am

Mr. Parish came onto the boards far too quickly in my opinion and he was trying to be 'one of the boys.' Now look through every answer he gave which either (i) gave no information we really did not have already and (ii) in some cases, e.g. the squad size GB inherited, were complete rubbish.

He should have waited a day, maybe two, seen the mood of the fans, perhaps issued a well prepared statement on the boards and been prepared to answer questions then.

I am sure neither he nor Martin Long run their businesses in such a manner.

I am afraid they have lost some respect from me through this ill conceived chat which was Mr. Parish's knee jerk reaction to his earlier knee jerk reaction.

Edited by james03 (02 Jan 2011 9.48am)

While coming on here may have been a knee jerk reaction I think he made it clear that the sacking wasn't and he had been thinking for a while he had made a mistake with the original appointment.

A few other posters had said they were troubled by this being a decision made on one game.

I don't think thats the case at all.

A decision is made in and instant of time - hopefully after pros and cons have been weighed up in advance - and once the decision is made it is best to put it into effect immediately.

To find the reason why yesterday was the tipping point in the timing of the decision then In this case we need to defer to those fans who went to the game yesterday and saw a completely unacceptable performance with no fight at all in front of a passionate away support.

Personally I am surprised that this happened yesterday and thought George Burley would get more time. But watching such a performance and being about to hand over a million quid (or whatever) to the person responsible to then spend when they have turned turned down opportunities in the past couple of months to strengthen our obvious weaknesses does seem very understandable.


Not trying to pick an argument here but to undeerstand what is going on. Parish says GB would NOT have been sacked if we had beaten Millwall, we lost so he was. To me that IS a decision based purely on one game.


James - he specifically did not say that. In answer to the question 'would he have been sacked if we had won?' he said it would have depended on the performance. I take that to mean that the decision was more or less made but that if we had won 4-0 he would probably have been given another chance.

 


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View mileend's Profile mileend Flag East London 02 Jan 11 10.30am Send a Private Message to mileend Add mileend as a friend

Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Jan 2011 10.25am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.19am

Quote mileend at 02 Jan 2011 10.13am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 9.48am

Mr. Parish came onto the boards far too quickly in my opinion and he was trying to be 'one of the boys.' Now look through every answer he gave which either (i) gave no information we really did not have already and (ii) in some cases, e.g. the squad size GB inherited, were complete rubbish.

He should have waited a day, maybe two, seen the mood of the fans, perhaps issued a well prepared statement on the boards and been prepared to answer questions then.

I am sure neither he nor Martin Long run their businesses in such a manner.

I am afraid they have lost some respect from me through this ill conceived chat which was Mr. Parish's knee jerk reaction to his earlier knee jerk reaction.

Edited by james03 (02 Jan 2011 9.48am)

While coming on here may have been a knee jerk reaction I think he made it clear that the sacking wasn't and he had been thinking for a while he had made a mistake with the original appointment.

A few other posters had said they were troubled by this being a decision made on one game.

I don't think thats the case at all.

A decision is made in and instant of time - hopefully after pros and cons have been weighed up in advance - and once the decision is made it is best to put it into effect immediately.

To find the reason why yesterday was the tipping point in the timing of the decision then In this case we need to defer to those fans who went to the game yesterday and saw a completely unacceptable performance with no fight at all in front of a passionate away support.

Personally I am surprised that this happened yesterday and thought George Burley would get more time. But watching such a performance and being about to hand over a million quid (or whatever) to the person responsible to then spend when they have turned turned down opportunities in the past couple of months to strengthen our obvious weaknesses does seem very understandable.


Not trying to pick an argument here but to undeerstand what is going on. Parish says GB would NOT have been sacked if we had beaten Millwall, we lost so he was. To me that IS a decision based purely on one game.


James - he specifically did not say that. In answer to the question 'would he have been sacked if we had won?' he said it would have depended on the performance. I take that to mean that the decision was more or less made but that if we had won 4-0 he would probably have been given another chance.

I think that's right

He was much clearer that he had doubts for sometime that he had made the right decision with the original appointment of George Burley


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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 02 Jan 11 10.32am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

It does seem to me that the 'stability' that Mr Parish wanted wasn't given enough time to happen and I thought he had said about relegation 'if it happens, it happens' and we'd rebuild from there.
However, even he realised the pressure from fans and declining gates meant he had to act.
My one big worry is this decision has been made without a 'plan B' in place with no realistic replacement arranged. Talk of Hughton, Southgate, Allardyce, etc is ridiculous. Dearly as I'd love Dougie to make a go of it, there's only one name that would get pretty general support - Coppell, but would he want the challenge? To my mind Sean O'Driscoll will very soon become a Premiership manager and he would be a sensible option - if we could afford to pay the compensation. Otherwise, if a 'stop-gap' is needed I'd go for Ray Wilkins.

 


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View Marc@Somerset's Profile Marc@Somerset Flag Burnham-On-Sea Somerset 02 Jan 11 10.34am Send a Private Message to Marc@Somerset Add Marc@Somerset as a friend

I rink it was very honest of Steve to come on and talk to fans. Also note one very important thing he said. He said something along the lines that

GB was a good manager with a good record, but not right for the current situation at the club. Ie not the man to take us forward after administration. Steve accepts some responsibility for the appointmen, and did not say it was all GB wrong doing. Did SJ every take responsibility for wrong appointments?

 

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Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.20am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 10.19am

Quote mileend at 02 Jan 2011 10.13am

Quote james03 at 02 Jan 2011 9.48am

Mr. Parish came onto the boards far too quickly in my opinion and he was trying to be 'one of the boys.' Now look through every answer he gave which either (i) gave no information we really did not have already and (ii) in some cases, e.g. the squad size GB inherited, were complete rubbish.

He should have waited a day, maybe two, seen the mood of the fans, perhaps issued a well prepared statement on the boards and been prepared to answer questions then.

I am sure neither he nor Martin Long run their businesses in such a manner.

I am afraid they have lost some respect from me through this ill conceived chat which was Mr. Parish's knee jerk reaction to his earlier knee jerk reaction.

Edited by james03 (02 Jan 2011 9.48am)

While coming on here may have been a knee jerk reaction I think he made it clear that the sacking wasn't and he had been thinking for a while he had made a mistake with the original appointment.

A few other posters had said they were troubled by this being a decision made on one game.

I don't think thats the case at all.

A decision is made in and instant of time - hopefully after pros and cons have been weighed up in advance - and once the decision is made it is best to put it into effect immediately.

To find the reason why yesterday was the tipping point in the timing of the decision then In this case we need to defer to those fans who went to the game yesterday and saw a completely unacceptable performance with no fight at all in front of a passionate away support.

Personally I am surprised that this happened yesterday and thought George Burley would get more time. But watching such a performance and being about to hand over a million quid (or whatever) to the person responsible to then spend when they have turned turned down opportunities in the past couple of months to strengthen our obvious weaknesses does seem very understandable.


Not trying to pick an argument here but to understand what is going on. Parish says GB would NOT have been sacked if we had beaten Millwall, we lost so he was. To me that IS a decision based purely on one game.



The decision had to be made sooner or later? If we had won against Millwall, even unconvincingly, Burley would still be in charge, and Parish would have papered over the cracks.

In my eyes, Parish and co have done the right thing.

 

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Horse in Stable One Flag Kent 02 Jan 11 10.38am

Quote lee_post_man at 02 Jan 2011 10.00am

...get to the game on Monday show your support show the lads on the pitch we care, buy your season ticket for next year and lets move on together.

Yep, onwards and upwards!!!

Must admit that I've got mixed feelings about Burley going now (...there were occasional glimmers of hope under his tenure but clearly, no consistency and match winning discipline within the team).

Nevertheless, it is a bold decision and one that will determine where the club sits at the end of this season. I doubt we would have stayed in the Championship under Burley but of course there are no guarantees that anyone else can step in mid-season and reinvigorate the team.

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 02 Jan 11 10.38am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote BBS Lover at 01 Jan 2011 11.18pm

Steve, how o you feel about the name Steve for a new manager?

Seriously though, right decision today, but I don't see why someone would sack the manager at this time without having someone lined up. Is that your thinking?


I'm surprised this wasn't picked up on.

This sort of name shouldn't be allowed on a site of respectability!

And for it's worth, there will always be people who agree and disagree when a chairman does something controversial like come on a fans forum hours after sacking the manager.

For me, He is understandably vague on points, but also insightful on others, and I am pleased that I as a fan am in the know about the past. He has not answered many questions on the future of the club, probably because if he said 'x is the manager', or 'we will announce the manager in x amount of days', then went back on it, people would be in uproar. It is their job to arrange the future of this club as best as possible, so let them do that, and let's collectively turn a page on 2010 as a year for Palace, and focus on making 2011 as prosperous as it can be. Whoever the new gaffer is, get behind him and the team, and do our part to keep the club afloat in this division. After all, we our supporters, are we not?

Edited by serial thriller (02 Jan 2011 10.38am)

 


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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Jan 11 10.47am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

I was interested in Steves point about George only needing to replace 2 players.
Derry and Hill.
Cannot remember the exact sequence of when players left but below is the team that played at Hillsborough.
Certainly 6 needed replacing.
Plus if it was only 2 Steve should not have sanctioned the others Davids etc.

Crystal Palace
01 Speroni
03 Hill 05 McCarthy
17 Lawrence 20 Butterfield 22 Ertlyellow card 04 Derry 07 Ambrose
14 Scannell (Davis 90)
18 Andrewyellow card (N'Diaye 61)
19 Lee (John 84)
Substitutes
35 Manns, 02 Clyne, 24 Davis, 10 Carle, 21 Djilali, 33 N'Diaye, 09 John

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 11 11.00am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Our chairman is a fan first and a somewhat reluctant football club chairman second. Since he became chairman he has tried to keep us in the loop and deserves enormous credit for that, and not the criticism some are giving him.
He has also been honest enough to admit he made a mistake in appointing George Burley so is fielding at least part of the blame. His answers might have been a little selective at times but he is wise enough to know what can and cannot be said publically. The last thing we need right now are either a suit for libel or leaks about who we might be approaching. He also put over a specific view about what should have been possible with the resources available that others could legitimately disagree with. Thats normal. We all have our views.
What we don't know, and he does but cannot tell us, is what was going on behind the scenes. Maybe he could see that the players had really lost confidence in him, or that there was a divided dressing room. Maybe some senior players, or even Dougie who was very close to the guys during the takeover, have been consulted and advised that things were not right. Who knows but the next game ought to tell us a lot. If we see a repeat of the Millwall effort then we will get a total change of staff. If the players come out like men refreshed and fight for Dougie and us then we will know that this was what they really wanted themselves. It has happened many times before and not just in football. Staff lose confidence and belief in what they are being asked to do and either consiously, or unconsiously, let their performances slip.

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 02 Jan 11 11.06am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Quote SW2Eagle at 02 Jan 2011 1.00am

Right. Sorry if this goes against the grain, but I'm really disappointed with the Q&A session tonight. I think Mr Parish was VERY selective as to which questions he answered, and I firmly believe that the session was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine attempt to keep the fans up to date and provide transparency.

Syd posed some superb questions - ignored. Still there is no answer as to why it is acceptable for a board of directors to make such big decisions on one poor performance - and before anyone jumps in and talks about the season as a whole, Mr Parish himself said that the sacking would not necessarily have happened had the result/performance today have been different.

My other huge concern is that, despite having it put to him time and again that Burley was working with a decimated squad - he pretty much laughed this off and made out that it was Burley's squad. I'm sorry, but Burley was appointed at a time when he had to strengthen immediately - and did the best he could do to repair a lot of damage in a short space of time.

A few months is simply not enough time to build and shape a squad - especially with the transfer window system that is in place today. I also think we've had awful luck with injuries - another point that has been conveniently ignored.

All in all, today has brought me back down to earth with a massive bang. CPFC2010 may well turn out to be better for our club than previous owners (not hard) but they are far from perfect and far from the honest, transparent bunch that they would have us believe. I am also no longer convinced that they are the shrewd and patient owners I thought them to be.

A hugely disappointing day - only made worse by this sham of a Q and A session. Defeat, premature sacking and then this bollocks.

It's not prime minister's question time though is it Victor Meldrew!? he can't answer everything because some of it is too sensitive and not professional to be pinned on a discussion board

Edited by Frickin Saweet (02 Jan 2011 11.08am)

 

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