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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club.

YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic!
In terms of my experience of Palace fans and how vocal they are. I would say last year at our place you were a lot better than this year. Maybe this year the game didn't mean so much so you were less vocal?

Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND.

The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates".

If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground.

Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!!

No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS.

Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it.

Your Ground IS quiet.

Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook.

And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE.

Youy really are a bit on the dim side .

DIM? HA HA
I never said he didn't clap you! I haven't actually referred to that as I didn't witness it
Our ground isn't quiet. Its like all grounds sometimes the noise level is high and other times it isn't! I go more than you so would know!

Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it.

On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions?

You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it.

 

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Quote NEILLO at 09 Jun 2015 4.58pm

Quote chelski at 08 Jun 2015 9.56am

Not being a Chelsea fan myself, I can't comment on what Chelsea is/was like, I am merely sharing the opinions of those that I do know. Do you think then that seating has driven the '' racist, sexist bigots '' out of the your club ? Sorry if you don't like it and frankly I'm bored with this part of our discussion, so I'm parking this !

How did Abramovich ruin the game ? - by throwing ridiculous amounts of money into it. In my opinion he is the cause of creating the ' mini league ' within the Premier. I don't suppose there are any Chelsea fans that subscribe to this viewpoint and I don't expect you to. That is my perception and it's one shared by most people I know. Don't get me wrong...I want Palace in the Premier League and I want to see the top players...but it's hardly competitive now is it ? Can you see any club challenging the current top 4 without an Abramovich / Arab style investment being made ??

CPFC needs investors to make a new stadium financially viable. We could probably do with an increase in capacity, but another 5k with maybe future potential to extend by another 5k is probably about right for our fan base.


On first paragraph i'll make one comment and that is NO its hasn't driven all the racist bigots out but its a hugely improved, hence the greater diversity of people seen at football matches (better since we became a world wide club to be honest). '' world wide club '' ? what difference has that made exactly in terms of who shows up to watch your games ? I guess more Corporates / Tourists ?? Would explain the ( lack of ) atmosphere...

The difference this makes is that the club is more diverse in terms of its supporters. This clearly has had a positive impact in terms of behaviour amongst the majority of fans (although still can be improved)

In terms of Abramovich investment I cant see how your argument holds true in terms of creating a mini league. All he has done is put US in that league. So is there one or not ?? You seem confused yourself.
Not confused. It was stated Abramovich created a mini league. I said this isn't true as there has been one for years!!!! All Abramovich did was put us in it!!

Prior to his arrival football was dominated for years by Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. You have to go back pre-70's to find a wider range of winners. Wrong. Villa, Leeds, Blackburn....

You need to check your history. I stated wider range of winners. The clubs you stated won the trophy once or maybe twice max BUT the vast majority of winners were from the 'big' clubs. Prior to Abramovich 23 of the 30 championships were won by either Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal. Now if that's not a mini league of 3 I don't know what is!!

After that the 'big' clubs dominated.
On the contrary I would argue that Abramovich has been fantastic for the premier league and Palace should be grateful for his investment, as should English football as a whole.
A main reason that the premier league is such a fantastic product world wide, which generates huge amounts of TV money, is that it is so competitive!! Its competitive because the big clubs have invested millions in bringing and nurturing talent and developing their business in the world market! Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United are world wide products that attract huge support wherever they go. 83 000 watched us play in Sydney. This in turn means TV money is massive from international TV companies! This TV money is distributed throughout the Premier League teams, hence the lowest team in the premier league is in the top 40 richest clubs in Europe. Palace is benefitting directly from the success of the big clubs (unlike Spain where Barcelona and Real Madrid pocket their own TV deals). They can spend significantly more money on players and their academy due directly to the success and benevolence of the big clubs.
In actually makes me laugh a little when I hear other supporters complain about the investments made by the big clubs. The main reason their club is doing so well financially and hence on the pitch is due to the money they receive from the 'premier league product'. That product would be significantly diminished without the Abramovich's of this world. All he has done is to drive prices up !! And those that can't afford to match his money - 95% of football - can't compete. To quote Jose Mourinho '' the contenders will always be the same, the same teams who have


economically the potential to buy the best players ....get it ??

You are kidding?? Drive prices up?? What prices?? Palace pocket over 100 million in the new tv deal. A TV deal built on the back of the Premier Leagues success. Why is it so successful? Because of the massive investment that people like Abramovich has put in. This has meant clubs investing more in their own product ie stadiums, players, academies. Palaces brand is now 30th, I believe, in Europe in terms of its worth!!!
With this new wealth you can now buy top quality players.
In terms of competing! Yes only a few may win the league (as always) BUT the league itself is very competitive (hence its attraction). This happens due to the equal distribution of money.

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Quote CPFCSwords at 09 Jun 2015 10.32pm

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Quote Daz.CPFC at 04 Jun 2015 2.12pm

To Be honest Chelski, while Jose is a great manager. I could win the title with the team you have got so he isn't that great pal.

I actually think that's not true at all!!! He identified the players we needed to go the next step last season. His tactics are brilliant. He has proved not just at Chelsea but at other clubs that he is the best manager out there!!
He'd even make you lot look good

Yeah he identified Costa - a player who was massively linked with the top clubs in Europe.
Also identified Cesc I presume? Someone who was evidently leaving Barcelona...

He didn't sign any hidden gems, he simply signed big names. I'd hardly say he identified them.

He's a good manager no doubt, but what he did this season wasnt that great.

He identified what we needed to go that extra step. His track record as a manager really cant be beaten, in terms of not just success but success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful!

In terms of what he did this season not being great, I think you underestimate the achievement. To win the premier league and only lose 3 games all year is a great achievement!

 

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Quote Daz.CPFC at 04 Jun 2015 2.12pm

To Be honest Chelski, while Jose is a great manager. I could win the title with the team you have got so he isn't that great pal.

I actually think that's not true at all!!! He identified the players we needed to go the next step last season. His tactics are brilliant. He has proved not just at Chelsea but at other clubs that he is the best manager out there!!
He'd even make you lot look good

Yeah he identified Costa - a player who was massively linked with the top clubs in Europe.
Also identified Cesc I presume? Someone who was evidently leaving Barcelona...

He didn't sign any hidden gems, he simply signed big names. I'd hardly say he identified them.

He's a good manager no doubt, but what he did this season wasnt that great.

He identified what we needed to go that extra step. His track record as a manager really cant be beaten, in terms of not just success but success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful!

In terms of what he did this season not being great, I think you underestimate the achievement. To win the premier league and only lose 3 games all year is a great achievement!


Christ on a bike, are you still here?

The world and his wife knew you needed a creative midfielder and a striker. It was so bloody obvious you couldn't break teams who sat deep down (look at your loss against us at Selhurst Park). Having said that, Mourinho is obviously a fantastic manager and deserves his plaudits and the league is a better one for having him.

 


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Quote dannyh at 02 Jun 2015 2.44pm

Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club.

YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic!
In terms of my experience of Palace fans and how vocal they are. I would say last year at our place you were a lot better than this year. Maybe this year the game didn't mean so much so you were less vocal?

Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND.

The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates".

If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground.

Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!!

No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS.

Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it.

Your Ground IS quiet.

Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook.

And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE.

Youy really are a bit on the dim side .

DIM? HA HA
I never said he didn't clap you! I haven't actually referred to that as I didn't witness it
Our ground isn't quiet. Its like all grounds sometimes the noise level is high and other times it isn't! I go more than you so would know!

Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it.

On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions?

You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it.

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Div.

 


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Quote dannyh at 10 Jun 2015 12.16pm

Quote chelski at 10 Jun 2015 8.45am

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Quote dannyh at 04 Jun 2015 1.44pm

Quote chelski at 03 Jun 2015 2.52pm

Quote dannyh at 02 Jun 2015 2.44pm

Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club.

YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic!
In terms of my experience of Palace fans and how vocal they are. I would say last year at our place you were a lot better than this year. Maybe this year the game didn't mean so much so you were less vocal?

Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND.

The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates".

If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground.

Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!!

No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS.

Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it.

Your Ground IS quiet.

Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook.

And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE.

Youy really are a bit on the dim side .

DIM? HA HA
I never said he didn't clap you! I haven't actually referred to that as I didn't witness it
Our ground isn't quiet. Its like all grounds sometimes the noise level is high and other times it isn't! I go more than you so would know!

Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it.

On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions?

You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it.

[Link]

Div.

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There is a hell of a lot more stories.

He is a dodgy man that gained through the proceeds of crime

 


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Quote Daz.CPFC at 10 Jun 2015 12.28pm

Quote dannyh at 10 Jun 2015 12.16pm

Quote chelski at 10 Jun 2015 8.45am

Quote dannyh at 09 Jun 2015 2.32pm

Quote chelski at 04 Jun 2015 2.07pm

Quote dannyh at 04 Jun 2015 1.44pm

Quote chelski at 03 Jun 2015 2.52pm

Quote dannyh at 02 Jun 2015 2.44pm

Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club.

YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic!
In terms of my experience of Palace fans and how vocal they are. I would say last year at our place you were a lot better than this year. Maybe this year the game didn't mean so much so you were less vocal?

Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND.

The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates".

If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground.

Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!!

No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS.

Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it.

Your Ground IS quiet.

Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook.

And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE.

Youy really are a bit on the dim side .

DIM? HA HA
I never said he didn't clap you! I haven't actually referred to that as I didn't witness it
Our ground isn't quiet. Its like all grounds sometimes the noise level is high and other times it isn't! I go more than you so would know!

Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it.

On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions?

You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it.

[Link]

Div.

[Link]

There is a hell of a lot more stories.

He is a dodgy man that gained through the proceeds of crime

I suggest you both check your facts because they are not facts just stories. You both really need to check the sources of your information as they refer to false accusations in a failed court case brought against Abramovich by a person called Boris Berezovsky. This man was basically called a liar by the judge and the case was thrown out!!

Any reasonable research would have told you this. Instead you put it in to google and took the first bit of information you could find!!

 

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Quote dannyh at 10 Jun 2015 12.16pm

Quote chelski at 10 Jun 2015 8.45am

Quote dannyh at 09 Jun 2015 2.32pm

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Quote dannyh at 04 Jun 2015 1.44pm

Quote chelski at 03 Jun 2015 2.52pm

Quote dannyh at 02 Jun 2015 2.44pm

Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club.

YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic!
In terms of my experience of Palace fans and how vocal they are. I would say last year at our place you were a lot better than this year. Maybe this year the game didn't mean so much so you were less vocal?

Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND.

The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates".

If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground.

Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!!

No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS.

Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it.

Your Ground IS quiet.

Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook.

And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE.

Youy really are a bit on the dim side .

DIM? HA HA
I never said he didn't clap you! I haven't actually referred to that as I didn't witness it
Our ground isn't quiet. Its like all grounds sometimes the noise level is high and other times it isn't! I go more than you so would know!

Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it.

On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions?

You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it.

[Link]

Div.


PS Div!!

 

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This guy says 'show him' the evidence but when you direct him to the books that have been written about Abramovich's business dealings....Which very obviously make him a crook if he had carried out the dealings here you just get another troll response.....He's isn't actually interested...Which says more about his own ethics than anything else....He just says 'show me' but he won't actually look when you direct him.

He's just a troll who doesn't actually care about what his chairman is.

Communicating with him is kind of pointless.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Jun 2015 1.46pm

This guy says 'show him' the evidence but when you direct him to the books that have been written about Abramovich's business dealings....Which very obviously make him a crook if he had carried out the dealings here you just get another troll response.....He's isn't actually interested...Which says more about his own ethics than anything else....He just says 'show me' but he won't actually look when you direct him.

He's just a troll who doesn't actually care about what his chairman is.

Communicating with him is kind of pointless.[/quote]


Agreed. Never going to see his point of view or him mine.

Although I'm right

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Jun 2015 1.46pm

This guy says 'show him' the evidence but when you direct him to the books that have been written about Abramovich's business dealings....Which very obviously make him a crook if he had carried out the dealings here you just get another troll response.....He's isn't actually interested...Which says more about his own ethics than anything else....He just says 'show me' but he won't actually look when you direct him.

He's just a troll who doesn't actually care about what his chairman is.

Communicating with him is kind of pointless.


Its harder to communicate with someone who actually makes up what he writes!! Where I have been directed to all these books???? What books? I have been directed to websites about his court case that proved him a trustworthy and reliable witness. Additionally, how do you know I haven't read any sites I have been directed too? You call him a crook as if its a fact. It isn't because he hasn't been convicted of any illegal activities.

I will also remind you that this is the part of the forum to engage with away fans so its hardly trolling!!


Edited by chelski (10 Jun 2015 2.59pm)

 

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Quote NEILLO at 10 Jun 2015 2.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Jun 2015 1.46pm

This guy says 'show him' the evidence but when you direct him to the books that have been written about Abramovich's business dealings....Which very obviously make him a crook if he had carried out the dealings here you just get another troll response.....He's isn't actually interested...Which says more about his own ethics than anything else....He just says 'show me' but he won't actually look when you direct him.

He's just a troll who doesn't actually care about what his chairman is.

Communicating with him is kind of pointless.[/quote]


Agreed. Never going to see his point of view or him mine.

Although I'm right

People will have a difference of opinion, which is why there are forums in the first place. I respect and sometimes agree with those who bother to answer what I say (yes I actually do ).

 

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