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Catfish Burgess Hill 01 Jul 14 2.50pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Jul 2014 1.28pm Quote npn at 01 Jul 2014 11.00am Quote Helmet46 at 30 Jun 2014 8.34pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 6.57pm Quote Helmet46 at 30 Jun 2014 6.54pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 6.13pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Jun 2014 6.10pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 5.50pm Not comfortable with the Harris verdict......38 hours they took before the verdict. Not for me. How long would you have been comfortable with considering they had twelve separate charges to discuss? Rolf Harris is very famous, after the Saville case it isn't that far fetched to suspect that Harris was ripe for the picking. If it was one charge - it's not, it's 12, he was guilty of all (?) and they had a bit of evidence as well. Was very popular when I grew up but clearly just a dirty pervert peado. Hopefully they won't segregate him. What evidence? That's the problem with this kind of thing. Also as I say, once it's known that there is one charge what's to stop those that once bumped into Harris jumping onto the bandwagon? There is money to be made and with their identity protected no downside to the case failing. I trust the justice system. 12 charges, 12 guilty verdicts and that's hard to achieve - especially if some on the jury were star struck. Wasn't there a letter he wrote, apologising to a victims family? Remember some have got off - Michael le veil, bill roache etc. It's very sad but he's tied his last kangaroo down, Sport. (Maybe he could be done for that as well)? I've never done juryt service so don't really know how it goes back there, but over 30 hours deliberation for 12 charges, so roughly three hours per charge. If it was so cut and dried, what were they discussing? I'd love to believe the jury system works, but I've been in plenty of meetings where the person who's actually right is brow-beaten to agreeing with people who are wrong but more confident or bolshy, and I see no reason to suspect that the deliberation room would be any different. I think I'd rather be tried by a panel of judges. I spent a few years working in the Court Service. Its not that uncommon for some members of the Jury to want to go through all of the evidence again and discuss all points. So people just want to make sure, when someones life is on the line. Only served on a jury once so not much to go on, but my experience was that it was taken very seriously and that the evidence of every witness was discussed thoroughly and methodically. Having a superb Foreman helped, (modesty forbids), Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Not comfortable with the Harris verdict......38 hours they took before the verdict.

Not for me.

How long would you have been comfortable with considering they had twelve separate charges to discuss?

Rolf Harris is very famous, after the Saville case it isn't that far fetched to suspect that Harris was ripe for the picking.

If it was one charge - it's not, it's 12, he was guilty of all (?) and they had a bit of evidence as well. Was very popular when I grew up but clearly just a dirty pervert peado. Hopefully they won't segregate him.

What evidence? That's the problem with this kind of thing. Also as I say, once it's known that there is one charge what's to stop those that once bumped into Harris jumping onto the bandwagon?

There is money to be made and with their identity protected no downside to the case failing.

I trust the justice system. 12 charges, 12 guilty verdicts and that's hard to achieve - especially if some on the jury were star struck. Wasn't there a letter he wrote, apologising to a victims family? Remember some have got off - Michael le veil, bill roache etc. It's very sad but he's tied his last kangaroo down, Sport. (Maybe he could be done for that as well)?

I've never done juryt service so don't really know how it goes back there, but over 30 hours deliberation for 12 charges, so roughly three hours per charge. If it was so cut and dried, what were they discussing?

I'd love to believe the jury system works, but I've been in plenty of meetings where the person who's actually right is brow-beaten to agreeing with people who are wrong but more confident or bolshy, and I see no reason to suspect that the deliberation room would be any different. I think I'd rather be tried by a panel of judges.

I spent a few years working in the Court Service. Its not that uncommon for some members of the Jury to want to go through all of the evidence again and discuss all points.

So people just want to make sure, when someones life is on the line.

Only served on a jury once so not much to go on, but my experience was that it was taken very seriously and that the evidence of every witness was discussed thoroughly and methodically. Having a superb Foreman helped, (modesty forbids),

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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npn Crowborough 01 Jul 14 3.27pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Jul 2014 2.15pm Quote npn at 01 Jul 2014 1.56pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Jul 2014 1.28pm Quote npn at 01 Jul 2014 11.00am Quote Helmet46 at 30 Jun 2014 8.34pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 6.57pm Quote Helmet46 at 30 Jun 2014 6.54pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 6.13pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Jun 2014 6.10pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jun 2014 5.50pm Not comfortable with the Harris verdict......38 hours they took before the verdict. Not for me. How long would you have been comfortable with considering they had twelve separate charges to discuss? Rolf Harris is very famous, after the Saville case it isn't that far fetched to suspect that Harris was ripe for the picking. If it was one charge - it's not, it's 12, he was guilty of all (?) and they had a bit of evidence as well. Was very popular when I grew up but clearly just a dirty pervert peado. Hopefully they won't segregate him. What evidence? That's the problem with this kind of thing. Also as I say, once it's known that there is one charge what's to stop those that once bumped into Harris jumping onto the bandwagon? There is money to be made and with their identity protected no downside to the case failing. I trust the justice system. 12 charges, 12 guilty verdicts and that's hard to achieve - especially if some on the jury were star struck. Wasn't there a letter he wrote, apologising to a victims family? Remember some have got off - Michael le veil, bill roache etc. It's very sad but he's tied his last kangaroo down, Sport. (Maybe he could be done for that as well)? I've never done juryt service so don't really know how it goes back there, but over 30 hours deliberation for 12 charges, so roughly three hours per charge. If it was so cut and dried, what were they discussing? I'd love to believe the jury system works, but I've been in plenty of meetings where the person who's actually right is brow-beaten to agreeing with people who are wrong but more confident or bolshy, and I see no reason to suspect that the deliberation room would be any different. I think I'd rather be tried by a panel of judges. I spent a few years working in the Court Service. Its not that uncommon for some members of the Jury to want to go through all of the evidence again and discuss all points. So people just want to make sure, when someones life is on the line. Too many variables for me - I'm certain there are many trials decided by "I'm bored of this and want to go home" or "I'm pretty sure he's guilty/innocent, but most people are saying the opposite so I'll go with the flow". I think you put a lot of faith in the moral standards of Joe Public and, indeed, his intelligence, neither of which I think is necessarily warranted. Edited by npn (01 Jul 2014 1.57pm) You definately get them, but you also get people who go the other way and take their duty seriously. I'm not necessarily implying it's an intentional act, but a 'weak' personality will be swayed by a strong one, even subconciously, and the weight of being outnumbered will play on your certainty that you've reached the correct conclusion. I'd be interested to see the result of straw polls conducted as the jury retuires versus the actual verdict given down. I'd imagine there are many cases where jurors leave the court thinking one way, and subsequently agree with the unanimous verdict going the other way. Undoubtedly the skill of each juror in both putting across their points and convincing the others they're right has a part to play in that, and you just better hope if you're on trial, that the best orators and debaters on the jury leave the court thinking you're innocent.
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Not comfortable with the Harris verdict......38 hours they took before the verdict.

Not for me.

How long would you have been comfortable with considering they had twelve separate charges to discuss?

Rolf Harris is very famous, after the Saville case it isn't that far fetched to suspect that Harris was ripe for the picking.

What evidence? That's the problem with this kind of thing. Also as I say, once it's known that there is one charge what's to stop those that once bumped into Harris jumping onto the bandwagon?

There is money to be made and with their identity protected no downside to the case failing.

I spent a few years working in the Court Service. Its not that uncommon for some members of the Jury to want to go through all of the evidence again and discuss all points.

So people just want to make sure, when someones life is on the line.

Too many variables for me - I'm certain there are many trials decided by "I'm bored of this and want to go home" or "I'm pretty sure he's guilty/innocent, but most people are saying the opposite so I'll go with the flow".

I think you put a lot of faith in the moral standards of Joe Public and, indeed, his intelligence, neither of which I think is necessarily warranted.

Edited by npn (01 Jul 2014 1.57pm)

You definately get them, but you also get people who go the other way and take their duty seriously.

I'm not necessarily implying it's an intentional act, but a 'weak' personality will be swayed by a strong one, even subconciously, and the weight of being outnumbered will play on your certainty that you've reached the correct conclusion.

I'd be interested to see the result of straw polls conducted as the jury retuires versus the actual verdict given down. I'd imagine there are many cases where jurors leave the court thinking one way, and subsequently agree with the unanimous verdict going the other way. Undoubtedly the skill of each juror in both putting across their points and convincing the others they're right has a part to play in that, and you just better hope if you're on trial, that the best orators and debaters on the jury leave the court thinking you're innocent.

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Helmet46 Croydon 01 Jul 14 10.35pm
12 guilty counts, more revelations in the UK and Australia - I can certainly tell what it is - it's clearly a horrible old pervert who should rot in jail.
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12 guilty counts, more revelations in the UK and Australia - I can certainly tell what it is - it's clearly a horrible old pervert who should rot in jail.

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milesy potton 01 Jul 14 11.32pm
8 years? life? do you know what it is yet?
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8 years? life? do you know what it is yet?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Jul 14 11.42pm
Quote milesy at 01 Jul 2014 11.32pm 8 years? life? do you know what it is yet? At his age, 8 years is probably a life sentence. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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8 years? life? do you know what it is yet?

At his age, 8 years is probably a life sentence.

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Helmet46 Croydon 02 Jul 14 6.09am
Quote milesy at 01 Jul 2014 11.32pm 8 years? life? do you know what it is yet?
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8 years? life? do you know what it is yet?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Jul 14 8.31am
Quote Cucking Funt at 01 Jul 2014 12.19am Quote hibbystu at 01 Jul 2014 12.00am I have a problem that this convicted sex offender is allowed to go home for a few days before conviction, a lesser person on lesser charges would be remanded in custody Stuart Hall and Max Clifford got a bit of pre-sentencing bail as well. and to veer at a slight tangent, Pistorius got bail as he was preparing a defence for pre-meditated murder. WTF ? "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I have a problem that this convicted sex offender is allowed to go home for a few days before conviction, a lesser person on lesser charges would be remanded in custody

Stuart Hall and Max Clifford got a bit of pre-sentencing bail as well.

and to veer at a slight tangent, Pistorius got bail as he was preparing a defence for pre-meditated murder. WTF ?

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Jul 14 8.33am
and Harris had more charges pending, which it seems the prosecution is now going ahead with, in light of his conviction. He could well die in prison, at this rate "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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and Harris had more charges pending, which it seems the prosecution is now going ahead with, in light of his conviction.
He could well die in prison, at this rate

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Farawayeagle Sydney 02 Jul 14 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster Association An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon GKAS Member 54
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At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years.

It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation.

As for those saying where is the punishment?

I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment.

Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)

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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 14 9.40am
Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) Harris's art won't be ignored.....It doesn't work like that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am

It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation.

As for those saying where is the punishment?

Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)

Harris's art won't be ignored.....It doesn't work like that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jul 14 9.50am
Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) It would also make him vulnerable to attack by 'outraged' citizens. I'd have thought that imprisonment, on this occasion, would be essential for his own personal safety. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am

It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation.

As for those saying where is the punishment?

Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)

It would also make him vulnerable to attack by 'outraged' citizens. I'd have thought that imprisonment, on this occasion, would be essential for his own personal safety.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 02 Jul 14 10.04am
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Jul 2014 9.40am Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) Harris's art won't be ignored.....It doesn't work like that. Disagree - that's precisely how it works. Initial estimates are that his painting have dropped by 90% in value. And when was the last time you heard a Gary Glitter record played? Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am

It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation.

As for those saying where is the punishment?

Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)

Harris's art won't be ignored.....It doesn't work like that.

Disagree - that's precisely how it works. Initial estimates are that his painting have dropped by 90% in value. And when was the last time you heard a Gary Glitter record played?

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