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Quote MPE at 19 Jan 2015 7.05pm
You said Gayle is not a premiership striker? And at the time I said it, I was correct. He is still not the finished article, but he improving rapidly. He may well thus become one. This may come as a shock but with good coaching and time to adapt, a player can improve from being a Championship striker to being a Premiership one. It is not wrong to call a player what he is at the time of writing rather than what you think he might become. You weren't. He's just been given a chance is all and you only said it two weeks ago. Huh? I've been saying Gayle was not a Premiership striker consistently for the past fifteen months. That may finally be changing (we will know by the end of the season) but it's been true up to this point.
As for Gestede I am not convinced totally as he is unproven but as you say, if we can ship out Campbell who we know hasn't cut it, Glenn Murray, who, putting all sentiment aside doesn't look the part either its a calcukated gamble at a net £2m quid or so. As a big fan of Chammers, our best technical footballer, I would like for the Everton game to see him up front with Gayle and Wilf wide. That for me is a very good front 3
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sprites  Auckland 20 Jan 15 10.28am |
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Quote Ian J at 20 Jan 2015 6.18am
But that stack of people appear not to include Warnock or Pardew
Hilarious. Pardew has started Murray in 2 of his 3 games in charge so far, plus given him good time off the bench in the other. Warnock admitted he'd have played Murray had he been available and yeah, he didn't fit the Pulis system - fair enough. I wasn't having a go. Or even arguing Murray's case. Simply correcting a previous post that stated 'we all know Murray isn't good enough' (or words to that effect), which even the briefest scroll through this forum would disprove that statement.
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| Plane Bromley 20 Jan 15 10.44am |
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Quote kenbarr at 19 Jan 2015 9.47pm
The problem with the "getting Chamakh back to his first six months at Arsenal" theory is that was a number of years ago. It may very well be that what he is now is what he will always be. We need goals, no one has every won a match 0 - (-1). On the other hand, Pardew has instilled belief in Gayle, Murray and Puncheon and they are putting leather on target. Chamakh is just coming off an injury. Maybe with a few more training session Pardew can get him to believe in his ability to score and he will add that back to his game. That still doesn't mean Palace shouldn't be looking to add a foil for Gayle in this window. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for. Bringing him at at 4-5 million seems to me to be a good bit of business. All true except for one thing. Chamakh has the attributes we're looking for and, even if it was four years ago, HAS done it at this level. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for and has never done it at this level. That doesn't mean that he won't or can't, but it does mean that until proven otherwise he's more of a risk than Chamakh. Futhermore and in defence of Chamakh, he isn't that old and he hasn't done it for your years not least because he hasn't been given a chance to. We won't know if he still can't until we give him the opportunity. As he's already here and will cost us nothing, it seems sensible to try. With regard to Murray whatever he did or didn't do last week or the week before, I would say it's fanciful to consider him a better option than a fit Chamakh in either the short or the long term but that, of course, is just my view.
I agree with your thinking on Murray, sell and get in Gestede or another, but it looking like it'll be him.
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| Plane Bromley 20 Jan 15 10.46am |
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Quote sprites at 20 Jan 2015 10.28am
Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Jan 2015 6.22am
Quote Ian J at 20 Jan 2015 6.18am
But that stack of people appear not to include Warnock or Pardew
Hilarious. Pardew has started Murray in 2 of his 3 games in charge so far, plus given him good time off the bench in the other. Warnock admitted he'd have played Murray had he been available and yeah, he didn't fit the Pulis system - fair enough. I wasn't having a go. Or even arguing Murray's case. Simply correcting a previous post that stated 'we all know Murray isn't good enough' (or words to that effect), which even the briefest scroll through this forum would disprove that statement.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jan 15 10.48am |
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Quote Plane at 20 Jan 2015 10.44am
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.06pm
Quote kenbarr at 19 Jan 2015 9.47pm
The problem with the "getting Chamakh back to his first six months at Arsenal" theory is that was a number of years ago. It may very well be that what he is now is what he will always be. We need goals, no one has every won a match 0 - (-1). On the other hand, Pardew has instilled belief in Gayle, Murray and Puncheon and they are putting leather on target. Chamakh is just coming off an injury. Maybe with a few more training session Pardew can get him to believe in his ability to score and he will add that back to his game. That still doesn't mean Palace shouldn't be looking to add a foil for Gayle in this window. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for. Bringing him at at 4-5 million seems to me to be a good bit of business. All true except for one thing. Chamakh has the attributes we're looking for and, even if it was four years ago, HAS done it at this level. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for and has never done it at this level. That doesn't mean that he won't or can't, but it does mean that until proven otherwise he's more of a risk than Chamakh. Futhermore and in defence of Chamakh, he isn't that old and he hasn't done it for your years not least because he hasn't been given a chance to. We won't know if he still can't until we give him the opportunity. As he's already here and will cost us nothing, it seems sensible to try. With regard to Murray whatever he did or didn't do last week or the week before, I would say it's fanciful to consider him a better option than a fit Chamakh in either the short or the long term but that, of course, is just my view.
I agree with your thinking on Murray, sell and get in Gestede or another, but it looking like it'll be him. I agree. I really don't see Chamakh as the answer up front.
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| Petereagle Brockley 20 Jan 15 11.38am |
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Quote Willo at 20 Jan 2015 10.48am
Quote Plane at 20 Jan 2015 10.44am
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.06pm
Quote kenbarr at 19 Jan 2015 9.47pm
The problem with the "getting Chamakh back to his first six months at Arsenal" theory is that was a number of years ago. It may very well be that what he is now is what he will always be. We need goals, no one has every won a match 0 - (-1). On the other hand, Pardew has instilled belief in Gayle, Murray and Puncheon and they are putting leather on target. Chamakh is just coming off an injury. Maybe with a few more training session Pardew can get him to believe in his ability to score and he will add that back to his game. That still doesn't mean Palace shouldn't be looking to add a foil for Gayle in this window. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for. Bringing him at at 4-5 million seems to me to be a good bit of business. All true except for one thing. Chamakh has the attributes we're looking for and, even if it was four years ago, HAS done it at this level. Gestede has the attributes we're looking for and has never done it at this level. That doesn't mean that he won't or can't, but it does mean that until proven otherwise he's more of a risk than Chamakh. Futhermore and in defence of Chamakh, he isn't that old and he hasn't done it for your years not least because he hasn't been given a chance to. We won't know if he still can't until we give him the opportunity. As he's already here and will cost us nothing, it seems sensible to try. With regard to Murray whatever he did or didn't do last week or the week before, I would say it's fanciful to consider him a better option than a fit Chamakh in either the short or the long term but that, of course, is just my view.
I agree with your thinking on Murray, sell and get in Gestede or another, but it looking like it'll be him. I agree. I really don't see Chamakh as the answer up front. Looks like around £4.5-5m should seal the deal
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Jan 15 12.19pm |
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Quote Ian J at 20 Jan 2015 8.41am
Quote The Sash at 20 Jan 2015 8.12am
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.27pm
Quote Helmet46 at 19 Jan 2015 8.12pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.06pm
Quote MPE at 19 Jan 2015 7.05pm
You said Gayle is not a premiership striker? And at the time I said it, I was correct. He is still not the finished article, but he improving rapidly. He may well thus become one. This may come as a shock but with good coaching and time to adapt, a player can improve from being a Championship striker to being a Premiership one. It is not wrong to call a player what he is at the time of writing rather than what you think he might become. You weren't. He's just been given a chance is all and you only said it two weeks ago. Huh? I've been saying Gayle was not a Premiership striker consistently for the past fifteen months. That may finally be changing (we will know by the end of the season) but it's been true up to this point.
As for Gestede I am not convinced totally as he is unproven but as you say, if we can ship out Campbell who we know hasn't cut it, Glenn Murray, who, putting all sentiment aside doesn't look the part either its a calcukated gamble at a net £2m quid or so. As a big fan of Chammers, our best technical footballer, I would like for the Everton game to see him up front with Gayle and Wilf wide. That for me is a very good front 3
I would actually like to see how Puncheon got on in a more central role as he did for the last half hour of the first half at Burnley whilst Jedi is away
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Soon Bald Eagle  Aalesund 20 Jan 15 12.31pm |
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No need to throw money out the windom for a player who have not proven him self in premier leauge yet.We stick to what we got GAYLE AND MURRAY- GAYLE AND MURRAY
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Quote The Sash at 20 Jan 2015 12.19pm
Quote Ian J at 20 Jan 2015 8.41am
Quote The Sash at 20 Jan 2015 8.12am
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.27pm
Quote Helmet46 at 19 Jan 2015 8.12pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.06pm
Quote MPE at 19 Jan 2015 7.05pm
You said Gayle is not a premiership striker? And at the time I said it, I was correct. He is still not the finished article, but he improving rapidly. He may well thus become one. This may come as a shock but with good coaching and time to adapt, a player can improve from being a Championship striker to being a Premiership one. It is not wrong to call a player what he is at the time of writing rather than what you think he might become. You weren't. He's just been given a chance is all and you only said it two weeks ago. Huh? I've been saying Gayle was not a Premiership striker consistently for the past fifteen months. That may finally be changing (we will know by the end of the season) but it's been true up to this point.
As for Gestede I am not convinced totally as he is unproven but as you say, if we can ship out Campbell who we know hasn't cut it, Glenn Murray, who, putting all sentiment aside doesn't look the part either its a calcukated gamble at a net £2m quid or so. As a big fan of Chammers, our best technical footballer, I would like for the Everton game to see him up front with Gayle and Wilf wide. That for me is a very good front 3
I would actually like to see how Puncheon got on in a more central role as he did for the last half hour of the first half at Burnley whilst Jedi is away Funnily enough Puncheon's last two goals have both come from him picking the ball up centrally and driving into the penalty area, almost identical goals in their buildup and finish.
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BelfastEagle  20 Jan 15 1.25pm |
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Quote Soon Bald Eagle at 20 Jan 2015 12.31pm
No need to throw money out the windom for a player who have not proven him self in premier leauge yet.We stick to what we got GAYLE AND MURRAY- GAYLE AND MURRAY Walsh and Swindlehurst....Walsh and Swindlehurst
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| Spiderman Horsham 20 Jan 15 1.33pm |
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Quote BelfastEagle at 20 Jan 2015 1.25pm
Quote Soon Bald Eagle at 20 Jan 2015 12.31pm
No need to throw money out the windom for a player who have not proven him self in premier leauge yet.We stick to what we got GAYLE AND MURRAY- GAYLE AND MURRAY Walsh and Swindlehurst....Walsh and Swindlehurst Not sure Murray has proved himself in the Premier League. We, as a club have to move on and the signs are positive, so lets move on and if that means Murray does not stay so be it.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Jan 15 1.34pm |
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Quote Sg Bilko at 20 Jan 2015 1.05pm
Quote The Sash at 20 Jan 2015 12.19pm
Quote Ian J at 20 Jan 2015 8.41am
Quote The Sash at 20 Jan 2015 8.12am
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.27pm
Quote Helmet46 at 19 Jan 2015 8.12pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2015 8.06pm
Quote MPE at 19 Jan 2015 7.05pm
You said Gayle is not a premiership striker? And at the time I said it, I was correct. He is still not the finished article, but he improving rapidly. He may well thus become one. This may come as a shock but with good coaching and time to adapt, a player can improve from being a Championship striker to being a Premiership one. It is not wrong to call a player what he is at the time of writing rather than what you think he might become. You weren't. He's just been given a chance is all and you only said it two weeks ago. Huh? I've been saying Gayle was not a Premiership striker consistently for the past fifteen months. That may finally be changing (we will know by the end of the season) but it's been true up to this point.
As for Gestede I am not convinced totally as he is unproven but as you say, if we can ship out Campbell who we know hasn't cut it, Glenn Murray, who, putting all sentiment aside doesn't look the part either its a calcukated gamble at a net £2m quid or so. As a big fan of Chammers, our best technical footballer, I would like for the Everton game to see him up front with Gayle and Wilf wide. That for me is a very good front 3
I would actually like to see how Puncheon got on in a more central role as he did for the last half hour of the first half at Burnley whilst Jedi is away Funnily enough Puncheon's last two goals have both come from him picking the ball up centrally and driving into the penalty area, almost identical goals in their buildup and finish. As he did at Cardiff last year twice, Stoke last year and sure there would be other examples if I thought about it - he does like to try to get inside and more central rather than hit the byline or go outside - maybe because although quick, he isn't 'electric' quick like a Wilf or Yala
Edited by The Sash (20 Jan 2015 1.36pm)
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