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 OknotOK  Cockfosters, London 21 Apr 15 4.35pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
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| Hoof Hearted 21 Apr 15 4.50pm | |
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 21 Apr 15 4.53pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.50pm
All I know is that the article you linked from The Telegraph showed a pie chart with a heavy bias towards "left leaning".... which appears to be approximately 67% which I quoted from the BBC news report I saw a few days ago. All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right. You've convinced me. Farage is right. UKIP is right. I'm switching my vote
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| imbored UK 21 Apr 15 5.19pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.50pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Apr 15 9.41am | |
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Quote imbored at 21 Apr 2015 5.19pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.50pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
It can only be interpreted one way. FFS!
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| DanH SW2 22 Apr 15 9.51am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2015 9.41am
Quote imbored at 21 Apr 2015 5.19pm
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
It can only be interpreted one way. FFS!
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Apr 15 10.09am | |
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Quote DanH at 22 Apr 2015 9.51am
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.50pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Apr 2015 4.18pm
Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
It can only be interpreted one way. FFS!
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 22 Apr 15 12.18pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2015 9.41am
You didn't need "spin" to observe that the overwhelming majority of the audience were anti UKIP and it was obvious that Dimbleby's denial of any audience rigging was not the case. It can only be interpreted one way. FFS! Yes, the majority of the audience was anti-UKIP. That doesn't mean it would have been left wing by the way as the majority of Tory voters *should* be anti-UKIP. But to suggest there was some undue BBC bias in selecting a "left wing" audience is factually incorrect. No spin. No interpretation. Just fact. That truly can only be interpreted one way. Farage deliberately played up to it to make himself seem anti-establishment so the "bias" worked for him anyway. It will have motivated his core support. Anyway, like I said I will be interested to see the format for the QT "debate" when the panel will not be predominantly left wing (even by the weak definition that includes the Lib Dems as left wing).
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| ghosteagle 22 Apr 15 12.46pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2015 10.09am
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
It can only be interpreted one way. FFS!
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Still, no need to let the truth get in the way of some baseless xenophobia eh? | npn Crowborough 22 Apr 15 1.12pm |
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Lefty studio audience members are always more vocal. No idea why, but if you watch/listen to any of the popular TV debate shows you'll see it - Question Time, Any Questions, etc. Some seem to believe that shouting down the opposition means you've won the argument. This may stem from the fact that people tend to move towards the right as they get older, so maybe the right wingers tend to be more mature? Not sure, but my point is that the fact that the audience were vocally anti-Farage needn't necessarily mean a bias in the crowd, just that the right wingers would be more likely to shake their heads, or perhaps raise an eyebrow, but largely stay politely quiet and respectful when something they disagree with, whereas the student union types will hoot and holler. Just personal perception, nothing I can back up with figures, but the left (or at least their supporters) do tend to be less conducive to good debate (take Nick Griffin on QT as an example - there for the taking, policies to be exposed and ridiculed, but just greeted with rent-a-mob booing and panellists turning their backs on him like sulking kids, and actually ended up looking good by comparison) Edited by npn (22 Apr 2015 1.13pm)
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2015 10.09am
Quote DanH at 22 Apr 2015 9.51am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2015 9.41am
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 4.35pm
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Apr 2015 11.35am
My numbers are per the Telegraph link I posted. It was also on the BBC. If you included the Lib Dems along with Labour, SNP, Greens, and Plaid then it would get to 102 as "left wing". This was of a total of 160 decided voters so would be 64% of decided voters. But there were an additional 20% (40 voters) who were undecided. And as the article clearly shows, the audience was no more biased to left wing than the ITV debates were - which no one complained about. And are selected by an independent party. Edited by OknotOK (21 Apr 2015 11.36am)
You appear to be putting your own interpretation on what the article shows. No I'm not. I'm stating facts as set out in the article Quote
An ITV spokesman said the audience for its seven-way debate reflected the same proportions. You have chosen to selectively highlight sections of my post to suggest I was putting my own interpretation. I quite clearly said the article shows the audience was no more biased than the ITV debates were. Given ITV said their audience was based on exactly the same proportions, that is simply facts. Given people weren't making a fuss about the ITV debates being left-wing, it suggests actually the fuss is people using their own bias against the BBC. As I indicated further up the audience did appear to be more left wing: Quote
so the questions and audience being primarily left wing (which does appear to have been the case)
All the other stuff you've said is irrelevant and akin to political speech designed to confuse and undermine the opposition. Farage was right.
It can only be interpreted one way. FFS!
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| Stuk Top half 22 Apr 15 2.24pm |
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Quote npn at 22 Apr 2015 1.12pm
Lefty studio audience members are always more vocal. No idea why, but if you watch/listen to any of the popular TV debate shows you'll see it - Question Time, Any Questions, etc. Some seem to believe that shouting down the opposition means you've won the argument. This may stem from the fact that people tend to move towards the right as they get older, so maybe the right wingers tend to be more mature? Not sure, but my point is that the fact that the audience were vocally anti-Farage needn't necessarily mean a bias in the crowd, just that the right wingers would be more likely to shake their heads, or perhaps raise an eyebrow, but largely stay politely quiet and respectful when something they disagree with, whereas the student union types will hoot and holler. Just personal perception, nothing I can back up with figures, but the left (or at least their supporters) do tend to be less conducive to good debate (take Nick Griffin on QT as an example - there for the taking, policies to be exposed and ridiculed, but just greeted with rent-a-mob booing and panellists turning their backs on him like sulking kids, and actually ended up looking good by comparison) Edited by npn (22 Apr 2015 1.13pm)
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