Catholicism's is very procreative, as is Judaism and Christianity in general. Catholicism and the more 'ardent' evangelical right wing protestantish groups have a long history of denial of womens rights - largely on the basis of birth control etc (Catholic groups cannot directly state they desire to control women - as that would be illegal, however they do have a habit of supporting causes that largely have a control of women at their core).

I think groups like IS would be more akin to the more extreme groups, such as in the US, that have bombed abortion clinics and killed doctors in the name of God's law.

Whilst I object to the anti-abortionist movements in general, the vast majority proceed in a manner that whilst objectionable, and in my opion ill considered, is legal, and doesn't involve violence.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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"If islam is a religion of peace then sticks of dynamite are candles"...saw grafitti of ths a while back..

I am proud to be an infidel !

Touch my coffee and I will slap you so hard even Google won't be able to find you.

Not sure you can say it has nothing to do with Islam, you and I don't know the reasons why 30,000 Muslims have decided to wage war in Syria. What I do know is I listened to a interview with a Iman from the Muslim Council of Great Britain, and he said that Muslims need to be very vigilant as they confront a very real problem with fundamentalist, So I would be interested to know, if he thinks there is a problem within the Islamic community, why you don't?

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Whataboutery is a morons trick.

From a mosque in Walthamstow...

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Accidentally quoted myself.

Edited by stayloa (11 Mar 2015 6.11pm)

I see where you're coming from on this point. I don't think any religion is a religion of peace fundamentally. Any religious person who believes in a corrupted earth should agree with this. Look at our own British history and the burning of Protestants and Catholics by both sides which is fundamentally religion based. Also the Buddhist monks in Thailand recently who were causing havoc against Muslims.

I'm not sure people are getting caught up too much in your logical fallacy example. The majority of people aren't keen to get rid of Muslims and their religion either.

For me as I've stated before, the problem is the fact that Islam has a mass of various sects and tribes like Sunni Muslims, Shias, different bodies within those such as Kurds. Christianity does too, obviously but many of the most influential groups are large in size like Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism. These groups have identifiable leaders who speak out on behalf of the majority of the religion's followers.

However, I can't think of a single influential, official Muslim leader who has the power to speak out and influence Muslims worldwide. For better or for worse, the Pope seems to have that power. Am I wrong? Is there a Muslim leader on a comparable scale? Has that leader spoken out against violence and supporting peaceful Islam? I think the answer is 'no' because there is no equivalent.

In my limited opinion, because the Koran is the word of God, there seems to be quite a lot of scope for personal interpretation of it because no one's opinion can be verified. It would seem logical that to label Islam as a religion of either peace or violence is wrong. I think it's down to interpretation and it is from this standpoint that ISIS and other groups become so influential and are able to exploit the religious beliefs as part of wider political gain. However, labelling them like any other insurgents is wrong. Yes they have political motivations but I think many of them see themselves as pious and dedicated Muslims and it is from that their fight against the West and other regimes also stems.

I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.