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derben Flag 07 May 15 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

 

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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)

 


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Quote Jimenez at 07 May 2015 4.47pm

I've just realized Derben is a anagram of a well known HOL Saying/phrase!!


Whichever way I look at it and juggle the letters around I can't make it say Would

 


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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm
What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?

Links re. border controls.
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There is a lot to read through.


ps. This is not an antagonistic reply to your question Derben, just responding to it.
Make of it what you will, and I hope it helps.


Edited by lankygit (07 May 2015 5.36pm)

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.

 


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 5.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.


By that economic logic then people from Middlesborough, Hull and Burnley should not be allowed to move to over-populated London.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.40pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 5.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.


By that economic logic then people from Middlesborough, Hull and Burnley should not be allowed to move to over-populated London.

No, they shouldn't.

No room anyway with all the Scots and Irish down here already.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

 


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derben Flag 07 May 15 5.50pm

Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.40pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 5.36pm

Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm

Quote derben at 07 May 2015 5.18pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.


By that economic logic then people from Middlesborough, Hull and Burnley should not be allowed to move to over-populated London.

Well, that Steve Bruce can f*** off for a start.

 

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Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm

Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...

 


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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy.

3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain.

Next question...


Yes. But I just said 'using state facilities' not 'on benefits'. Try again.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)

 


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