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TheJudge 06 Jun 15 6.20pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben Lol. Saying what he thinks people want to hear. If the police were had an ethnic mix that reflected the population, it would still be mostly white. The population, particularly outside London and Birmingham is overwhelmingly white. And to say that the the media and government are dominated by the white middle classes is hardly surprising or undesirable for the vast majority. I see lots of Asians and black people on TV anyway.
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06 Jun 15 6.20pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm

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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve.

The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

Lol. Saying what he thinks people want to hear.

If the police were had an ethnic mix that reflected the population, it would still be mostly white.
The population, particularly outside London and Birmingham is overwhelmingly white. And to say that the the media and government are dominated by the white middle classes is hardly surprising or undesirable for the vast majority. I see lots of Asians and black people on TV anyway.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 15 6.22pm
Quote TheJudge at 06 Jun 2015 6.08pm But the Roman soldiers all went home as there weren't many Normans. The only real significance is that they both changed our culture enormously. What do you think the 318,000 arriving here every year will do ? You are really arguing against yourself. Apparently we should be celebrating the 'cultural' affect these immigration figures give us. I wonder if the Normans said that? Apparently we had a problem with our cultural life not being exciting enough before large scale immigration....Mmmm..I don't remember that....In fact what I remember was a more cohesive society more comfortable with its lot compared to now.......Certainly among the working class. We should be celebrating how all these immigrants are doing jobs which.....apparently our own population are refusing to do. Apparently our own population wish to stay on the dole rather than have a job......That's the implication from the left on immigration even when they criticise the right for attacking the welfare 'undeserving'. You know personally I've never met a young British person who when presented with a job opportunity that would pay their bills and give them a life actually turned it down.....I'm sure they exist but not in anything like the numbers suggested. But I have met immigrants who are happy to work for low wages in large rental accommodation so that they can hoard their cash, regularly send it out of the country to dependents and after they have built up a reasonable war chest go home to buy property. Good for them.....But compared to how a working class British worker spends their cash it's a poor substitute. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote TheJudge at 06 Jun 2015 6.08pm

But the Roman soldiers all went home as there weren't many Normans. The only real significance is that they both changed our culture enormously. What do you think the 318,000 arriving here every year will do ?
You are really arguing against yourself.

Apparently we should be celebrating the 'cultural' affect these immigration figures give us.

I wonder if the Normans said that?

Apparently we had a problem with our cultural life not being exciting enough before large scale immigration....Mmmm..I don't remember that....In fact what I remember was a more cohesive society more comfortable with its lot compared to now.......Certainly among the working class.

We should be celebrating how all these immigrants are doing jobs which.....apparently our own population are refusing to do.

Apparently our own population wish to stay on the dole rather than have a job......That's the implication from the left on immigration even when they criticise the right for attacking the welfare 'undeserving'.

You know personally I've never met a young British person who when presented with a job opportunity that would pay their bills and give them a life actually turned it down.....I'm sure they exist but not in anything like the numbers suggested.

But I have met immigrants who are happy to work for low wages in large rental accommodation so that they can hoard their cash, regularly send it out of the country to dependents and after they have built up a reasonable war chest go home to buy property.

Good for them.....But compared to how a working class British worker spends their cash it's a poor substitute.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.55pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 15 6.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Jun 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben To keep or to gain their managemental jobs the top Police management have been echoing the lazy BS mantras of the liberal left for pretty much decades. It's a highly politicized job.....Which is one of the main problems with policing. They sing whatever hymns the left wing broadcast media tell them to sing......Any controversial stuff that gets noticed and kiss goodbye to your job prospects. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.08pm) Oh dear...
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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

To keep or to gain their managemental jobs the top Police management have been echoing the lazy BS mantras of the liberal left for pretty much decades.

It's a highly politicized job.....Which is one of the main problems with policing.

They sing whatever hymns the left wing broadcast media tell them to sing......Any controversial stuff that gets noticed and kiss goodbye to your job prospects.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 6.08pm)

Oh dear...

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 15 6.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 6.29pm Oh dear... Yes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 15 6.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 6.29pm

Oh dear...

Yes.

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derben 06 Jun 15 7.51pm
Quote serial thriller at 06 Jun 2015 5.34pm Quote derben at 06 Jun 2015 1.50pm Quote serial thriller at 06 Jun 2015 1.43pm I just wanna make a couple of more points. What is racism? Well of course racism is about discrimination on the basis of one's race. As a couple of posts earlier in the thread stated though, it is often something that one is unaware of, and thus must constantly challenge, because it can be pervasive and insidious. The video I posted originally is brilliant because Akala very acutely and intelligently highlights how racism is not just an individual act, like some drunkard shouting n*ger, but is institutionalised in a way which is much harder to determine. Interestingly this is backed up by this piece recently, which shows how even one of the most prominent institutions which makes up the British state - the police - is not only institutionally racist but to some degree self-aware of it: [Link] When we are trying to determine whether Britain as a nation is racist, the prejudices of other countries are irrelevant. It becomes an easy deflector for our vices, just to come out and say 'but they're worse'. There either is discrimination against people of differing ethnicities or there isn't, and when you see the stop and search numbers based on ethnic background, you realise that a broad acceptance that people who are black and brown are more dangerous is still very apparent, not just in terms of police but in terms of the public in general as the chief of police says above. You can accept that this country still has a racist hangover from our imperial history and still love this country. In fact, caring enough to realise social deficiencies is a fundamental part of wanting to achieve the best for us. As I say, racism, sexism and all forms of prejudice are something we constantly have to be looking out for not just in others but in ourselves. What should we do if we find ourselves thinking discriminatory thoughts? Turn ourselves in at the nearest police station and confess a thought-crime? (Oh, I forgot, that's no good is it - the police are institutionally racist themselves) Who do we turn to? Surely in this day and age, the time has come for some new sort of organisation that we could throw ourselves on for mercy - could call it Ministry of Love perhaps. Also "all forms of prejudice** are something we constantly have to be looking out for". We are prejudice when we vote in an election, we do not vote for someone on the grounds of his political beliefs. We are all prejudiced on here in favour of Crystal Palace FC. Edited by derben (06 Jun 2015 2.56pm) Why the f*ck would you need to tell the police if you're thinking racist thoughts? If you catch yourself being a prick, just have a word with yourself and move on. And if you can't see the difference between supporting a different football team and hating someone because they're black/gay/a woman then I give up. I said thinking discriminatory thoughts rather than racist - is all discrimination racist? I have crossed the road (after having a word with myself) when I've seen a group of young black men coming towards me. I've also crossed the road when I've seen a group of young white men coming towards me. Probably no need in either case, but prudent I think. Perhaps I should cross the road a bit quicker when it is a black group as, generally speaking, black people run faster! Is my crossing the road more quickly, racist, or judicious discrimination? I think the hatred that fans of football teams show towards the fans of rival football teams is far worse than most perceived racial discrimination. Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 8.29am)
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06 Jun 15 7.51pm

Quote serial thriller at 06 Jun 2015 5.34pm

Quote derben at 06 Jun 2015 1.50pm

Quote serial thriller at 06 Jun 2015 1.43pm

I just wanna make a couple of more points.

What is racism? Well of course racism is about discrimination on the basis of one's race. As a couple of posts earlier in the thread stated though, it is often something that one is unaware of, and thus must constantly challenge, because it can be pervasive and insidious.

The video I posted originally is brilliant because Akala very acutely and intelligently highlights how racism is not just an individual act, like some drunkard shouting n***ger, but is institutionalised in a way which is much harder to determine. Interestingly this is backed up by this piece recently, which shows how even one of the most prominent institutions which makes up the British state - the police - is not only institutionally racist but to some degree self-aware of it: [Link]

When we are trying to determine whether Britain as a nation is racist, the prejudices of other countries are irrelevant. It becomes an easy deflector for our vices, just to come out and say 'but they're worse'. There either is discrimination against people of differing ethnicities or there isn't, and when you see the stop and search numbers based on ethnic background, you realise that a broad acceptance that people who are black and brown are more dangerous is still very apparent, not just in terms of police but in terms of the public in general as the chief of police says above.

You can accept that this country still has a racist hangover from our imperial history and still love this country. In fact, caring enough to realise social deficiencies is a fundamental part of wanting to achieve the best for us. As I say, racism, sexism and all forms of prejudice are something we constantly have to be looking out for not just in others but in ourselves.

What should we do if we find ourselves thinking discriminatory thoughts? Turn ourselves in at the nearest police station and confess a thought-crime? (Oh, I forgot, that's no good is it - the police are institutionally racist themselves) Who do we turn to? Surely in this day and age, the time has come for some new sort of organisation that we could throw ourselves on for mercy - could call it Ministry of Love perhaps.

Also "all forms of prejudice are something we constantly have to be looking out for". We are prejudice when we vote in an election, we do not vote for someone on the grounds of his political beliefs. We are all prejudiced on here in favour of Crystal Palace FC.

Edited by derben (06 Jun 2015 2.56pm)

Why the f*ck would you need to tell the police if you're thinking racist thoughts? If you catch yourself being a prick, just have a word with yourself and move on.

And if you can't see the difference between supporting a different football team and hating someone because they're black/gay/a woman then I give up.

I said thinking discriminatory thoughts rather than racist - is all discrimination racist? I have crossed the road (after having a word with myself) when I've seen a group of young black men coming towards me. I've also crossed the road when I've seen a group of young white men coming towards me. Probably no need in either case, but prudent I think. Perhaps I should cross the road a bit quicker when it is a black group as, generally speaking, black people run faster! Is my crossing the road more quickly, racist, or judicious discrimination?

I think the hatred that fans of football teams show towards the fans of rival football teams is far worse than most perceived racial discrimination.

Edited by derben (07 Jun 2015 8.29am)

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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 06 Jun 15 10.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him. Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f***ed with him in charge. Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!
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Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm

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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him.

Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f***ed with him in charge.

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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derben 06 Jun 15 11.12pm
Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 06 Jun 2015 10.46pm Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him. Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f***ed with him in charge. It is incredible that someone in that sort of position can basically say that "all sections of society are ‘institutionally racist’". It is getting like the Cultural Revolution in China, or the stoning scene in Life of Brian. Sir Bernie should have a word with himself (as suggested by Serial Thriller if one catches oneself 'being a prick' ) - perhaps one beginning with 'c'. Edited by derben (06 Jun 2015 11.16pm)
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06 Jun 15 11.12pm

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 06 Jun 2015 10.46pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm

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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him.

It is incredible that someone in that sort of position can basically say that "all sections of society are ‘institutionally racist’". It is getting like the Cultural Revolution in China, or the stoning scene in Life of Brian. Sir Bernie should have a word with himself (as suggested by Serial Thriller if one catches oneself 'being a prick' ) - perhaps one beginning with 'c'.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 15 11.12pm
Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 06 Jun 2015 10.46pm Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him. Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f***ed with him in charge. To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over.
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Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 15 11.12pm

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 06 Jun 2015 10.46pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm

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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him.

To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 15 11.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 11.12pm To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over. Pretty accurate Nick.....Unless of course you're an MP and have the luxury of choosing whether to take a ten percent pay rise of course.....From a committee whose members were chosen by MPs.....Just because they aren't MPs it doesn't make them independent if they are chosen. Eventually of course, after a wait.....They will all take the rise. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2015 11.29pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 15 11.27pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 11.12pm

To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over.

Pretty accurate Nick.....Unless of course you're an MP and have the luxury of choosing whether to take a ten percent pay rise of course.....From a committee whose members were chosen by MPs.....Just because they aren't MPs it doesn't make them independent if they are chosen.

Eventually of course, after a wait.....They will all take the rise.

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elgrande bedford 06 Jun 15 11.29pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 11.12pm Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 06 Jun 2015 10.46pm Quote nickgusset at 06 Jun 2015 5.36pm [Link] Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said it is not only police forces which fail to represent the varied communities they serve. The judiciary, medical profession, media and government are all dominated by the white middle classes, he suggested. And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation. Better have a word with him Redben Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him. Your officers are on there knees Mr Hogan-Howe. Their tired, under staffed, over worked, pissed off and instead of trying to lift them you twist the knife in even more... No wonder the job is f*ed with him in charge. To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over.** Change the record gusset......Getting really tedious now. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 06 Jun 15 11.29pm

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Britain's top police officer controversially branded all sections of society ‘institutionally racist’ yesterday.

And the Scotland Yard boss admitted that there is ‘some justification' for people to think of his London force as a racist organisation.

Better have a word with him Redben

Disgusting comments from my 'leader'... Saying what he thinks will make the left and ethnic groups love him.

To be fair, whoever is in charge it wouldn't matter-all public services are being screwed over.

Change the record gusset......Getting really tedious now.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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elgrande bedford 06 Jun 15 11.35pm
I thought this was a thread about everyone in Britain being "Racist". always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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I thought this was a thread about everyone in Britain being "Racist".

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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