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If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up**. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous? Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence...... How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries. I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation. Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK. If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers). Quite. Well, i'm afraid i was looking for more concrete evidence than just a third hand report of what one immigrant might have said. I have seen such interviews, but i've also seen interviews where they talk of being 'safe' and seeing the uk as somewhere where they want to bring up families. I think some hard facts would be useful rather than dubious assertions. It's not just one immigrant. Anyway, we're going round in circles. Why is the UK perceived to be 'safer' than, say, France or Germany, or any other EU country they've passed through? If they reject those countries, then there must be a more concrete reason for coming to the UK and that brings us back to the conclusion that they believe it's 'softer' here in the UK than elsewhere. I feel that Catfish has provided a full and interesting answer. The idea that we hand out benefits to everyone who wants them has been disproved many times, but the idea that they find working in Britain easier seems logical. Also, both France and Germany take more immigrants than we do, so the vast majority of them don't pass through but have stayed in those countries. So, given that the immigrants do not come here to leech of the welfare state but are looking for work does this change how we should approach the problem? Should the government instead be concentrating on cracking down on employers who employ illegal immigrants?
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO.

Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f*** our daughters...

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted.

Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants.

The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.

I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in????

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.

It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous?

Work it out, mate.

Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......

How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries.

I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden.

Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise.

Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.

Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK.

If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).

Quite. Well, i'm afraid i was looking for more concrete evidence than just a third hand report of what one immigrant might have said. I have seen such interviews, but i've also seen interviews where they talk of being 'safe' and seeing the uk as somewhere where they want to bring up families. I think some hard facts would be useful rather than dubious assertions.

It's not just one immigrant. Anyway, we're going round in circles. Why is the UK perceived to be 'safer' than, say, France or Germany, or any other EU country they've passed through? If they reject those countries, then there must be a more concrete reason for coming to the UK and that brings us back to the conclusion that they believe it's 'softer' here in the UK than elsewhere.

I feel that Catfish has provided a full and interesting answer. The idea that we hand out benefits to everyone who wants them has been disproved many times, but the idea that they find working in Britain easier seems logical. Also, both France and Germany take more immigrants than we do, so the vast majority of them don't pass through but have stayed in those countries. So, given that the immigrants do not come here to leech of the welfare state but are looking for work does this change how we should approach the problem? Should the government instead be concentrating on cracking down on employers who employ illegal immigrants?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 6.58pm
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If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up**. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous? Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence...... How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries. I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation. Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK. If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers). Quite. Well, i'm afraid i was looking for more concrete evidence than just a third hand report of what one immigrant might have said. I have seen such interviews, but i've also seen interviews where they talk of being 'safe' and seeing the uk as somewhere where they want to bring up families. I think some hard facts would be useful rather than dubious assertions. It's not just one immigrant. Anyway, we're going round in circles. Why is the UK perceived to be 'safer' than, say, France or Germany, or any other EU country they've passed through? If they reject those countries, then there must be a more concrete reason for coming to the UK and that brings us back to the conclusion that they believe it's 'softer' here in the UK than elsewhere. Or better.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.

It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous?

Work it out, mate.

How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries.

I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden.

Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise.

Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.

Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK.

If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).

Or better.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Aug 15 7.07pm
Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. So that's why they break down the fences, board trucks and cars and enter the tunnel and generally give everyone a hard time.....Sorry you got it wrong!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education.

So that's why they break down the fences, board trucks and cars and enter the tunnel and generally give everyone a hard time.....Sorry you got it wrong!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Aug 15 7.08pm
Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up**. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. Thank you. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

Thank you.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous? Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence...... How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries. I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation. Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK. If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers). Quite. Well, i'm afraid i was looking for more concrete evidence than just a third hand report of what one immigrant might have said. I have seen such interviews, but i've also seen interviews where they talk of being 'safe' and seeing the uk as somewhere where they want to bring up families. I think some hard facts would be useful rather than dubious assertions. It's not just one immigrant. Anyway, we're going round in circles. Why is the UK perceived to be 'safer' than, say, France or Germany, or any other EU country they've passed through? If they reject those countries, then there must be a more concrete reason for coming to the UK and that brings us back to the conclusion that they believe it's 'softer' here in the UK than elsewhere. Or better. From their point of view, there's no difference. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

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Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.

It's not. Why else do they want to come here rather than, say, Germany, Holland, France, Belgium etc. which, (co-incidentally or not) are not so generous?

Work it out, mate.

How many are there hanging round Calais? 7000? Ok, so that's 7000. Excluding those that are en route through other EU countries.

I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden.

Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise.

Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.

Not according to those who've been interviewed by Sky and Beeb reporters. The message, loud and clear, is that they believe they get housing, healthcare and money in the UK.

If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).

Or better.

From their point of view, there's no difference.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.07pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. So that's why they break down the fences, board trucks and cars and enter the tunnel and generally give everyone a hard time.....Sorry you got it wrong!! As has been said a few times now, the immigrants in Calais are not coming for some sort of freebie extravaganza, but come looking for work.
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So that's why they break down the fences, board trucks and cars and enter the tunnel and generally give everyone a hard time.....Sorry you got it wrong!!

As has been said a few times now, the immigrants in Calais are not coming for some sort of freebie extravaganza, but come looking for work.

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Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 6.35pm There is little evidence that the benefit system is open to abuse or that illegal migrants are taking social housing. If it is accepted that is the case you have to look for other reasons that make the UK attractive" The main incentive for migrants, whether illegal or legal is work, and always has been. The key differences between this country and other European countries is how easy it is to enter the black economy. The lack of a national labour inspectorate and, most importantly, the lack of national ID cards are what make the difference. There have been attempts to shore up the system in other ways. Fines for employers and landlords, labour restrictions on asylum seekers and plans to prosecute illegal workers and seize wages. All of this was planned by Labour to create a "hostile environment" ( a term coined by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne). Labour also of course planned to introduce national ID cards but the scheme was scrapped by the Tories. Labour were on the right track and the perception among migrants that we are still an open house for illegal workers is one that has been allowed to continue by the coalition and present government. If the British public are serious about controlling migration they will have to accept the kind of in country restrictions that exist elsewhere. This is where the libertarian right and the paranoid left meet in a common cause. It is ironic that the key measure that might help control illegal migration is opposed by those most in favour and most against immigration controls. I respectfully disagree. Every country has a 'Black Market'. It's an major part of any economy. Take this particular money stream out of the equation and life would be far worse than it is now. Not for the 'cash in hand' merchants, but for the rest of us. A Black Market 'generally' keeps those who want less than others happy. As long as the majority can pay for cheap digs/fags/beer/whatever else then they'll be content, in the main. Should they not be able to afford their relatively cheap existence then batten down the hatches as they'll find alternative ways to earn money. Time to move forward together.
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Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 6.35pm

There is little evidence that the benefit system is open to abuse or that illegal migrants are taking social housing. If it is accepted that is the case you have to look for other reasons that make the UK attractive"

The main incentive for migrants, whether illegal or legal is work, and always has been. The key differences between this country and other European countries is how easy it is to enter the black economy. The lack of a national labour inspectorate and, most importantly, the lack of national ID cards are what make the difference.

There have been attempts to shore up the system in other ways. Fines for employers and landlords, labour restrictions on asylum seekers and plans to prosecute illegal workers and seize wages. All of this was planned by Labour to create a "hostile environment" ( a term coined by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne). Labour also of course planned to introduce national ID cards but the scheme was scrapped by the Tories.

Labour were on the right track and the perception among migrants that we are still an open house for illegal workers is one that has been allowed to continue by the coalition and present government.

If the British public are serious about controlling migration they will have to accept the kind of in country restrictions that exist elsewhere. This is where the libertarian right and the paranoid left meet in a common cause. It is ironic that the key measure that might help control illegal migration is opposed by those most in favour and most against immigration controls.

I respectfully disagree.
Every country has a 'Black Market'. It's an major part of any economy. Take this particular money stream out of the equation and life would be far worse than it is now. Not for the 'cash in hand' merchants, but for the rest of us.
A Black Market 'generally' keeps those who want less than others happy. As long as the majority can pay for cheap digs/fags/beer/whatever else then they'll be content, in the main.
Should they not be able to afford their relatively cheap existence then batten down the hatches as they'll find alternative ways to earn money.

Time to move forward together.

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Quote Fazil Bawlty at 04 Aug 2015 6.50pm You really need to distinguish the difference between immigrants (mostly economic, financial migrants), and refugees / asylum seekers, driven towards the UK due to political and social hardship. Many of those in Calais (such as the reported 13 y/o old orphan who has led his 8 y/o brother to safety only to be denied and victimised as an 'immigrant'). Fact is, the UK is only ranked 16th out of the 28 EU members in the rate of refugees coming in. Only 0.24% of our population are refugees. We take in fewer than most EU countries. It's disgusting that parties such as UKIP have made this a prominent area of UK politics. The 7000 or so people coming into Britain from Calais - most of whom will work their fingers to the bone to survive and pay into our economy - shouldn't be vilified but cherished as they prove the success of our nation which has historically helped those plagued with political hardships and violence abroad. We're a tolerant, liberal society, grow up. Such a shame that posts containing actual statistics are completely ignored in favour of walls of text built on fallacies and conjecture.
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You really need to distinguish the difference between immigrants (mostly economic, financial migrants), and refugees / asylum seekers, driven towards the UK due to political and social hardship. Many of those in Calais (such as the reported 13 y/o old orphan who has led his 8 y/o brother to safety only to be denied and victimised as an 'immigrant'). Fact is, the UK is only ranked 16th out of the 28 EU members in the rate of refugees coming in. Only 0.24% of our population are refugees. We take in fewer than most EU countries. It's disgusting that parties such as UKIP have made this a prominent area of UK politics. The 7000 or so people coming into Britain from Calais - most of whom will work their fingers to the bone to survive and pay into our economy - shouldn't be vilified but cherished as they prove the success of our nation which has historically helped those plagued with political hardships and violence abroad. We're a tolerant, liberal society, grow up.

Such a shame that posts containing actual statistics are completely ignored in favour of walls of text built on fallacies and conjecture.

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Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

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Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.16pm Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick! Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick!

Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism.

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Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong. When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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Quote Jamesrichards8 at 04 Aug 2015 7.19pm Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong. Global free market capitalism = everyone will be, aptly, costa coffee coloured and culture diluted in 150 years and they will look back and wonder why their ancestors got their knickers in such a twist about such things. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong.

Global free market capitalism = everyone will be, aptly, costa coffee coloured and culture diluted in 150 years and they will look back and wonder why their ancestors got their knickers in such a twist about such things.

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