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| Hoof Hearted 29 Aug 15 10.11am | |
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Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit
As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.
We've all seen our charitable donations ending up buying Limo's, Private Airplanes, lavish Palaces for tin pot dictators that we are now too afraid to get rid of for fear of upsetting the liberal types. The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal. Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it. It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems. All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them.
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Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit
As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.
for all that you may dismiss about 'God-botherers', compassion is a cornerstone of their beliefs.
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I'm sorry but that is nonsense. Religion has nothing to do with compassion. The Human condition allows for any number of circumstances. Sometimes you have to harden your attitude to deal with life. It is never desirable to put a low value on the life of our fellow men but we are only capable of holding so much emotion at any given time. Sometimes we have distance ourselves emotionally from suffering. None of us can be responsible for all the suffering o the World but we must try to remain sympathetic to others for our own sake as much as theirs. In case you hadn't noticed, religion is often part of the problem and not the solution. No one needs imaginary beings and mythical characters to make them decent. Right and wrong didn't begin 2000 years ago.
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| Catfish Burgess Hill 29 Aug 15 2.18pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Aug 2015 11.42am
I'm sorry but that is nonsense. Religion has nothing to do with compassion. The Human condition allows for any number of circumstances. Sometimes you have to harden your attitude to deal with life. It is never desirable to put a low value on the life of our fellow men but we are only capable of holding so much emotion at any given time. Sometimes we have distance ourselves emotionally from suffering. None of us can be responsible for all the suffering o the World but we must try to remain sympathetic to others for our own sake as much as theirs. In case you hadn't noticed, religion is often part of the problem and not the solution. No one needs imaginary beings and mythical characters to make them decent. Right and wrong didn't begin 2000 years ago.
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| reborn 29 Aug 15 6.47pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers.
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| reborn 29 Aug 15 6.53pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers. There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them. Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters. You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted. Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault. If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them. Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Aug 15 7.29pm |
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Quote reborn at 29 Aug 2015 6.53pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers. There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them. Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters. You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted. Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault. If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them. Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are) Too right reborn, the comments on HOL this week make me despair.
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| lankygit Lincoln 29 Aug 15 8.02pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 29 Aug 2015 7.29pm
Quote reborn at 29 Aug 2015 6.53pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers. There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them. Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters. You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted. Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault. If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them. Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are) Too right reborn, the comments on HOL this week make me despair.
Edited by lankygit (29 Aug 2015 8.04pm)
Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link] |
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Kermit8  Hevon 29 Aug 15 8.19pm |
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Quote lankygit at 29 Aug 2015 8.02pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Aug 2015 7.29pm
Quote reborn at 29 Aug 2015 6.53pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers. There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them. Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters. You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted. Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault. If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them. Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are) Too right reborn, the comments on HOL this week make me despair.
Edited by lankygit (29 Aug 2015 8.04pm) Wouldn't think twice about swapping a couple of million normal folk refugees from Syria and from other war-zones with the the coldly dis-compassionate and pretty nasty 'British' practically wishing death upon them. It would make our country a nicer place even if diluted. Travelling around Anatolia strangers on trains and buses sharing whatever food they had with others. Being invited to drink tea and chat in shops and houses and cordiality abounding. Those types. Here. Yes, please.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 29 Aug 15 8.24pm |
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perhaps having worked on frontline emergency service in london over 3 decades has numbed me to human suffering somewhat, but i would not condem anyone for their views or perceived "lack of humanity", nor do i despair of any such views.we are all entitled to our opinions and experience has taught me that charity starts and ends at my front door. anything after that and work the rest of the world is free to have.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Aug 15 10.14pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Aug 2015 10.11am
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit
As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.
We've all seen our charitable donations ending up buying Limo's, Private Airplanes, lavish Palaces for tin pot dictators that we are now too afraid to get rid of for fear of upsetting the liberal types. The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal. Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it. It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems. All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them. Rarely ends well getting caught up in someone else's civil war, especially where the alternatives in terms of support are the Al-Nasu Front, the Syrian Assad Loyalists with Hezbollah, Islamist groups and IS. In terms of logistics, it'd be difficult to support given a lack of suitable border allies in that region as well. I'm not saying that IS can be tolerated, but that militarily speaking any option for use of ground troops in Syria is fraught with a number of logistical problems, not least a suitable ally to support within that conflict that's likely to win.
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| ZIGnZAG Stoke 29 Aug 15 11.51pm |
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Allowing/welcoming refugees/asylum seekers/immigrants into our or any other country isn't solving the problem. Offering people a place to run too is a short term fix for a few, and an easy way of pretending you care. If you truly cared you would stand up and make a change, not just a noise.
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