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Stuk Top half 30 Oct 15 4.48pm
Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 4.35pm Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 3.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 2.53pm Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 2.48pm Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer. Might help the NHS budget deficit too. Stuk, you should start a new NHS think tank....You could call it the 'Shipman doctrine of medicine'. I advocate non-treatment as oppose to just killing them. We have to do the best for people within reason regardless of age, rather than non treatment because they take up all many resources or don't contribute enough. By this logic we wouldn't treat young babies and young children with significant ongoing physical and mental problems either. It's all about finding a balance and non-treatment isn't a balance, nor is it something you would advocate for yourself in that situation. Was more concerned with the overpopulation of the planet, the cost saving is a bonus. We aren't supposed to survive every illness and/or disease but you'll note I said end of their natural life. Despite this you've now included babies, children and the mentally or physically handicapped. Hyperbole bingo. Optimistic as ever
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Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer.

Might help the NHS budget deficit too.

Stuk, you should start a new NHS think tank....You could call it the 'Shipman doctrine of medicine'.

I advocate non-treatment as oppose to just killing them.

We have to do the best for people within reason regardless of age, rather than non treatment because they take up all many resources or don't contribute enough. By this logic we wouldn't treat young babies and young children with significant ongoing physical and mental problems either. It's all about finding a balance and non-treatment isn't a balance, nor is it something you would advocate for yourself in that situation.

Was more concerned with the overpopulation of the planet, the cost saving is a bonus.

We aren't supposed to survive every illness and/or disease but you'll note I said end of their natural life. Despite this you've now included babies, children and the mentally or physically handicapped.

Hyperbole bingo.

Optimistic as ever

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oldcodger 30 Oct 15 5.12pm
Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 4.48pm Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 4.35pm Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 3.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 2.53pm Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 2.48pm Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer. Might help the NHS budget deficit too. Stuk, you should start a new NHS think tank....You could call it the 'Shipman doctrine of medicine'. I advocate non-treatment as oppose to just killing them. We have to do the best for people within reason regardless of age, rather than non treatment because they take up all many resources or don't contribute enough. By this logic we wouldn't treat young babies and young children with significant ongoing physical and mental problems either. It's all about finding a balance and non-treatment isn't a balance, nor is it something you would advocate for yourself in that situation. Was more concerned with the overpopulation of the planet, the cost saving is a bonus. We aren't supposed to survive every illness and/or disease but you'll note I said end of their natural life. Despite this you've now included babies, children and the mentally or physically handicapped. Hyperbole bingo. Not at all. Some young people will never be able to contribute in a meaningful way economically due to their health problems. If we're going to start letting people die who we can save then where does it end? The end of peoples 'natural life' without help is sometimes very short indeed my friend. Just because someone is old it doesn't mean that we should let them die due to 'overpopulation'. If anything that should be approached with regard to how many children people have. I get tired of old people getting pushed out of the picture. They have a lot to offer and are often at the centre of family life, not a group we should shove on the scrap heap at the first sign of age related illness. Granted this all has to happen within the constraints of budgets, but there has to be thought put into individual cases. It can never be so catch all, crass and uncaring. Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 5.31pm)
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Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer.

Might help the NHS budget deficit too.

Stuk, you should start a new NHS think tank....You could call it the 'Shipman doctrine of medicine'.

I advocate non-treatment as oppose to just killing them.

Was more concerned with the overpopulation of the planet, the cost saving is a bonus.

Hyperbole bingo.

Not at all. Some young people will never be able to contribute in a meaningful way economically due to their health problems. If we're going to start letting people die who we can save then where does it end? The end of peoples 'natural life' without help is sometimes very short indeed my friend.

Just because someone is old it doesn't mean that we should let them die due to 'overpopulation'. If anything that should be approached with regard to how many children people have. I get tired of old people getting pushed out of the picture. They have a lot to offer and are often at the centre of family life, not a group we should shove on the scrap heap at the first sign of age related illness.

Granted this all has to happen within the constraints of budgets, but there has to be thought put into individual cases. It can never be so catch all, crass and uncaring.

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 30 Oct 15 5.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 1.29pm Quote stevegood at 30 Oct 2015 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 12.13pm Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 10.42am As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines. The UK will by then have the biggest population of any EU country. England, in particular, will also have by far the densest population given that its land mass is so much smaller than both Germany and France. Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am) Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK). Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK. If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration. The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas). So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK. Well we can hardly control emigration, so, we can only 'balance' the population by controlling immigration.
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As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines.
The UK will by then have the biggest population of any EU country. England, in particular, will also have by far the densest population given that its land mass is so much smaller than both Germany and France.

Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am)

Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK).

Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK.

If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration.

The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas).

So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK.

Well we can hardly control emigration, so, we can only 'balance' the population by controlling immigration.

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 15 5.50pm
Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 3.45pm Part of our problem I don't believe in 'freedom of movement'...Brits or anyone. Let's not forget that this is relative....We could always work abroad before. Foreigners will still be able to work here just like they did before. It's a numbers game. Part of the problem that most of the population don't really think about the issue. If you had a question that included both parts then I think you would find less of a contention. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 5.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Part of our problem

I don't believe in 'freedom of movement'...Brits or anyone. Let's not forget that this is relative....We could always work abroad before. Foreigners will still be able to work here just like they did before. It's a numbers game.

Part of the problem that most of the population don't really think about the issue.

If you had a question that included both parts then I think you would find less of a contention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 5.54pm)

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 15 5.59pm
Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP . I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP .

I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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oldcodger 30 Oct 15 6.09pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 5.50pm Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 3.45pm Part of our problem I don't believe in 'freedom of movement'...Brits or anyone. Let's not forget that this is relative....We could always work abroad before. Foreigners will still be able to work here just like they did before. It's a numbers game. Part of the problem that most of the population don't really think about the issue. If you had a question that included both parts then I think you would find less of a contention. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 5.54pm) The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations. I agree though, that allowing working and studying without full freedom or movement is a fair response to the immigration issue. The current problem I feel is that, although political parties claim to hold the same immigration concerns as the population, behind closed doors they're happy about it so little will change. Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm)
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Part of our problem

Part of the problem that most of the population don't really think about the issue.

If you had a question that included both parts then I think you would find less of a contention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 5.54pm)

The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations.

I agree though, that allowing working and studying without full freedom or movement is a fair response to the immigration issue. The current problem I feel is that, although political parties claim to hold the same immigration concerns as the population, behind closed doors they're happy about it so little will change.

Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm)

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leifandersonshair Newport 30 Oct 15 6.12pm
Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period. Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's...
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Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period.

Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's...

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Soon Bald Eagle Aalesund 30 Oct 15 6.31pm
Do you think ther is room for a family of 4 people , or will it be over crowded?
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Do you think ther is room for a family of 4 people , or will it be over crowded?

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stevegood 30 Oct 15 6.35pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 5.59pm Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP . I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. I'm the same. Dislike several of their policies but supported them on the EU. Now we are getting a referendum, I doubt that I will carry on supporting them. The New Left, including Corbyn and co, seem to go unerringly for policies that are against the interests of ordinary British working people. Who do they think will vote for them - apart from the middle class lib/left of course.
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I'm the same. Dislike several of their policies but supported them on the EU. Now we are getting a referendum, I doubt that I will carry on supporting them. The New Left, including Corbyn and co, seem to go unerringly for policies that are against the interests of ordinary British working people. Who do they think will vote for them - apart from the middle class lib/left of course.

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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Oct 15 6.42pm
Quote stevegood at 30 Oct 2015 6.35pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 5.59pm Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP . I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. I'm the same. Dislike several of their policies but supported them on the EU. Now we are getting a referendum, I doubt that I will carry on supporting them. The New Left, including Corbyn and co, seem to go unerringly for policies that are against the interests of ordinary British working people. Who do they think will vote for them - apart from the middle class lib/left of course. Corbyn - "New Left" - Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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stevegood 30 Oct 15 6.49pm
Quote Kermit8 at 30 Oct 2015 6.42pm Quote stevegood at 30 Oct 2015 6.35pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 5.59pm Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP . I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. I'm the same. Dislike several of their policies but supported them on the EU. Now we are getting a referendum, I doubt that I will carry on supporting them. The New Left, including Corbyn and co, seem to go unerringly for policies that are against the interests of ordinary British working people. Who do they think will vote for them - apart from the middle class lib/left of course. Corbyn - "New Left" - Yes, New Left - not New Labour. New Left 'policies', support of Palestinian and IRA terrorism; apologists for Islamic Fascism; unilateral disarmament; encouragement of uncontrolled mass-immigration; high taxation; more and more state control of our lives; yet more regional government with accompanying taxation and suspect spending; total refusal to even look at reforms to various sacred cows such as benefits and the NHS.
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Corbyn - "New Left" -

Yes, New Left - not New Labour. New Left 'policies', support of Palestinian and IRA terrorism; apologists for Islamic Fascism; unilateral disarmament; encouragement of uncontrolled mass-immigration; high taxation; more and more state control of our lives; yet more regional government with accompanying taxation and suspect spending; total refusal to even look at reforms to various sacred cows such as benefits and the NHS.

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 15 7.42pm
Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 6.09pm The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations. I agree though, that allowing working and studying without full freedom or movement is a fair response to the immigration issue. The current problem I feel is that, although political parties claim to hold the same immigration concerns as the population, behind closed doors they're happy about it so little will change. Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm) Yep I agree on all of these points. Basically interest in political current affairs is like having an active attraction to mild cynical depression. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 6.09pm

The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations.

Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm)

Yep I agree on all of these points.

Basically interest in political current affairs is like having an active attraction to mild cynical depression.

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